How the Whips' office really works

Simon Hart, former Welsh Secretary and Chief Whip, shares insights from his book, 'Ungovernable,' detailing his unique experiences in the political arena. He reflects on the complexities of government life, revealing the Whip's office as a critical HR department. Hart discusses the emotional turmoil surrounding his resignation under Boris Johnson and highlights the significant achievement of the Rwanda vote under Rishi Sunak. The conversation also touches on the delicate balance of party unity amid internal conflicts and the evolving challenges of conduct allegations in politics.