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290. Douglas Murray & Jonathan Pageau

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Sep 22, 2022

Douglas Murray, a British author and political commentator, joins Jonathan Pageau, a liturgical artist and religious scholar, for a deep dive into faith, meaning, and modern belief systems. They challenge the diminishing role of God in society and discuss how modern secular views clash with traditional religious frameworks. The duo sheds light on the importance of historical values and shared narratives in our quest for purpose and understanding. They explore the transformative power of communal worship and the necessity of reconnecting with meaningful rituals in today's world.

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Scientists and Transcendence

Scientists presume a transcendent realm beyond current theories.
They test theories against this reality, seeking corrective feedback.

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Challenges for Believers and Non-Believers

Shared ethics and values are challenging for non-believers to establish.
Believers face the question of whether their unifying narratives are literally true or pragmatically useful.

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Hierarchy of Values

Human actions are guided by a hierarchy of values, ultimately aiming towards a higher good.
This hierarchy influences motivation and effort in even mundane tasks.

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The strange death of Europe

Douglas Murray

In 'The Strange Death of Europe,' Douglas Murray argues that European civilization is under threat due to two primary factors: the mass migration of new peoples into Europe and the continent's low birth rates, combined with a loss of faith in its beliefs, traditions, and legitimacy. Murray contends that Europe's exhaustion from its historical burdens, its post-Christian and post-modern identity crisis, and its inability to defend its values are leading to a cultural and demographic transformation that may result in the end of Europe as it has historically existed. The book is characterized by its polarizing reception, with some praising its insightful reporting and others criticizing its perceived xenophobic and paranoid tone[1][3][5].

The Madness of Crowds

Gender, Race and Identity

Douglas Murray

In this book, Douglas Murray investigates the dangers of 'woke' culture and the rise of identity politics. He examines the most controversial issues of the current era, including sexuality, gender, technology, and race, and critiques the Marxist foundations of modern social justice movements. Murray argues that modern attitudes towards these issues have been distorted by a sense of victimhood and the negative impact of political correctness. The book is divided into sections dealing with different forms of identity politics and includes interludes on the impact of technology and the need to relearn the ability to forgive in an increasingly online culture. Murray's work has received both praise and criticism, with some reviewers appreciating his bravery and others criticizing his approach as provocative and divisive.

The War on the West

Douglas Murray

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Jonathan Pageau, Douglas Murray, and Dr Jordan B Peterson discuss our hierarchies of perception, existence, faith, and whether meaning is a self evident truth or something intangible that is sought in vain.

Jonathan Pageau is a French-Canadian liturgical artist and icon carver, known for his work featured in museums across the world. He carves Eastern Orthodox and other traditional images, and teaches an online carving class. He also runs a YouTube channel dedicated to the exploration of symbolism across history and religion.

Douglas Murray is a British political commentator and author. In 2007 he founded a think tank called the Center for Social Cohesion, which later became part of the Henry Jackson Society. Currently he is an associate editor for the magazine the Spectator, where he became somewhat infamous after organizing a competition in which entrants were invited to submit offensive poems about Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, with a top prize of £1,000. He has authored five books, the most recent of which being “The War on the West.”

—Links—

For Douglass Murray:

Website: https://douglasmurray.net/

(Book) The War on the West: https://www.amazon.com/War-West-Douglas-Murray/dp/0063162024/

(Book) The Strange Death of Europe: https://www.amazon.com/Strange-Death-Europe-Immigration-Identity-ebook/dp/B07J4G6P1T/ref=sr_1_1?crid=IZ93P44GH6II&keywords=the+strange+death+of+europe&qid=1663609075&s=digital-text&sprefix=the+strange+death+of+europe%2Cdigital-text%2C75&sr=1-1

For Jonathan Pageau:

Icon Carving: http://www.pageaucarvings.com

Podcast: www.thesymbolicworld.com

Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/JonathanPageau

—Chapters—

(0:00) Coming Up

(1:10) Intro

(4:18) A Precondition for a Rational World View

(10:29) The Battle of Conceptions

(14:55) Perceived Unity and the Glass

(21:58) Do Science and Religion Overlap?

(29:41) The Hierarchy of Perception and Action

(38:45) The Bible Was Not Written Forensically

(48:25) Using the Least Possible Thing to Describe the Realness of Everything

(57:07) Are We Meaning-Seeking Beings, or is There Meaning?

(1:05:56) To What Degree Does Something Exist Prior to Elaboration?

(1:12:04) The Cause of Demoralization in Our Society

(1:17:58) The Advantage of Organized Religion

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