Rune Lykkeberg interviews Peter Beinart, a Jewish author and professor, on the Israel-Palestine conflict. They discuss Jewish identity, Biden's approach, money in politics, and the one-state solution.
South African Jews prioritize their national allegiance to Israel, but it conflicted with the idea of Jewish victimhood and motivated admiration for Jews in the African National Congress who fought for equality and freedom for all.
Israel's creation of a interconnected entity between the river and the sea undermines the notion of separate areas, and the struggle for Palestinian liberation lacks a unifying political center.
Deep dives
The Fragility of Diaspora Jewish Life and South African Zionism
Coming from a South African Jewish experience, the fragility of diaspora Jewish life and intense Zionism shaped the understanding of the Jewish national project in Israel. South African Jews prioritized their national allegiance to Israel, considering it the only place where Jews can truly be at home. However, the speaker also observed that Jewish fears and story often justified or sidestepped oppressive actions in South Africa. This conflicted with the idea of Jewish victimhood and motivated admiration for Jews in the African National Congress who fought for equality and freedom for all.
Recognizing Apartheid in Israel-Palestine
By understanding apartheid as a system of one group dominating and legally oppressing another, it becomes clear that it applies to the Israeli-Palestinian situation. The dual legal systems for Jews and Palestinians in the West Bank and the notable legal differences between Palestinian citizens and Israeli Jewish citizens within Israel demonstrate this. Moreover, Israel's creation of an interconnected entity between the river and the sea undermines the notion of separate areas. The speaker found inspiration in the ethical resistance of the African National Congress in South Africa and believes that human rights-based Palestinian resistance is crucial, even if it has been defeated.
The Moral Responsibility in the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict
The speaker maintains that anyone who takes a civilian human life is morally responsible for their actions. While acknowledging the provocations Israel faced, such as the Gaza blockade and attacks on Palestinians, the speaker emphasizes that no provocation justifies the killing of innocent civilians. Israel bears moral responsibility for the killing of civilians in Gaza, and systems of oppression inevitably breed violence, demanding a change in the political and human context to ensure safety for both Israeli Jews and Palestinians.
Challenges in the Struggle for Palestinian Liberation
The struggle for Palestinian liberation faces numerous challenges. Unlike the anti-apartheid movement in South Africa, there is no political party representing a moral vision or a better outcome. Civil society groups call for boycotts, divestment, and sanctions, but without a unifying political center, organizing becomes more difficult. Additionally, Israel's much greater power as a military and technological force, combined with the competing narrative of Jewish dispossession and oppression, makes the struggle for Palestinian rights more complex. US political reluctance to pressure Israel further exacerbates the despair felt by Palestinians and empowers movements like Hamas.
I denne udgave af Langsomme Samtaler taler Rune Lykkeberg med den jødiske forfatter og professor i statskundskab og journalistik på City University of New York o Peter Beinart. Med rødder i Sydafrika er Beinart blevet en af USA´s store liberale intellektuelle i konflikten mellem Israel-Palæstina. Som få andre mestrer Beinart at kunne rumme to modsatrettede tanker i konflikten på én gang. Til sidst i samtalen får Beinart derfor også lov til at give sit bud på, hvordan han forestiller sig fred kan opstå i Israel og Palæstina.
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