The hosts discuss the return to the office and quitting tech. They explore the challenges of commute time and paycuts, as well as the uncertainty of layoffs. They also touch on parking allowances and perks in tech companies, burnout in the tech industry, and navigating personal and professional growth.
Identify the specific reasons behind burnout and determine if they are industry-specific or related to specific teams and projects.
Consider the intersection of mental health and burnout, and prioritize a work environment that supports mental well-being.
Deep dives
Burning out in the tech industry
The listener is dangerously close to burning out for the third time in their career and is considering quitting tech altogether. They are passionate about the field but find it challenging to find a good team and project fit, deal with difficult people, and manage their mental health condition. They wonder if the increased struggles and complaints about the industry among experienced professionals are due to becoming more jaded. They question whether pursuing a long career in tech is worth it or if the job becomes harder with increased awareness. They seek advice on whether to downshift and leave the industry to prioritize their health and well-being.
Finding the root cause of burnout
It is important for the listener to critically assess the reasons behind their burnout. If the issues are specific to the tech industry, such as not enjoying software problems or code, a career change may be worth considering. However, if the burnout is caused by factors like difficult bosses and teams, it is crucial to address those specific issues rather than blaming the entire industry. Leaving a toxic environment for a new job within tech may be a viable solution. Additionally, the listener should evaluate if there is an alternative career that appears attractive and fulfilling outside of the tech industry.
Navigating changes with mental health
Given the mention of struggling with mental health and working with a therapist, it is important to consider the impact mental health has on burnout. Perception plays a significant role in how we experience the world. It may be helpful to explore how mental health intersects with feelings of burnout and make adjustments accordingly. It is crucial to prioritize one's well-being and seek a work environment that supports mental health.
Considering a hybrid option
Rather than completely leaving the tech industry, the listener could explore career changes within the field. By transitioning to a different role that aligns with their interests and provides new challenges, they may avoid burnout and regain a sense of fulfillment. It may be worth considering a semi-change that allows them to keep aspects they enjoy, such as good pay and benefits, while shedding the frustrations of their current role.
In this episode, Dave and Jamison answer these questions:
I applied and was hired for a 100% telecommute position. Recently, the company has mandated all employees near an office switch to a hybrid schedule. I’m looking at an hour or more round trip and the yearly cost of parking is several thousand dollars. The company also announced to their investors that massive layoffs will be coming due to the economy and redundancies due to a large merger.
I’m relatively new to the company and left my previous company after only a couple of years. I like where I work and the company benefits. I do prefer working in office and don’t want to be seen as a perpetual job hopper. I’m just not thrilled about the commute time and commute paycut.
We have been assured my product is invaluable but should I believe that? A friend referred me to a hybrid position biking distance from my house. Assuming I’m made an offer, should I take it? What if it’s slightly less than what I’m making now?
Hi Jamison and Dave, another long time listener here. Thank you for all your advice and the good laughs you provide in the show!
I’m in my early 40s and have been working since I was 19 with a few years spent in education at university. In all these years there have been ups and downs, financial crises, personal crises, layoffs, good laughs and friendships, great teams, projects and bosses, and not so great teams, projects and bosses. I have enjoyed some of the work I’ve been doing in my industry, and I’ve enjoyed making some good contributions to my field.
I have been badly burned out two times in my career. Healing and recovering was hard but thankfully I was able to rejoin the workforce successfully (or that’s what I thought). Last year I identified I’m slowly burning out badly again. Since this will be my third time, I’m *very* seriously reconsidering a career change, to quit tech and software altogether. I’m passionate about the field I work in though it seems I can’t avoid getting sick badly from time to time in part because of the difficulties for finding a good team/project fit, having to deal with difficult people at work and a mental health condition I’ve been struggling with since my teens.
I have friends in the industry that are very senior, and we all share common struggles and our complaints about the industry are getting worse and worse with time. Is that a symptom of becoming more experienced? Are we all becoming jaded?
My current job pays well, but I’ve come to the realisation that it isn’t a good deal to trade great compensation for my health. I’m seriously considering downshifting and quitting tech to hopefully (and finally) bring sanity and peace to my life. This is something I’ve been also discussing with my therapist lately. So here’s my question: do you think it’s worth pursuing a long career in tech, or it’s just that the more experienced and senior you become the hardest the job becomes because your awareness raises? Do you have any other advice?
Thanks for reading and congrats again on the podcast!
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