Author Eve Fairbanks joins us to talk about her new book, The Inheritors: An Intimate Portrait of South Africa's Racial Reckoning, a story told through the eyes of three characters over the course of five decades as South Africa tried to end white supremacy. Plus, Mike reflects on the rise and fall of Andrew Dice Clay. And a guest Spiel on "Black-Pilling" from writer and podcaster Virginia Heffernan.

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Confronting South Africa's Racist-Created Trauma