In this podcast, Paul F. Austin, founder of Third Wave and Joe Tafur, M.D., integrative family physician, curandero, speaker, and author of The Fellowship of the River: A Medical Doctor’s Exploration into Traditional Amazonian Plant Medicine, chat about the ways in which science and spirituality are intersecting to help heal humanity—a breakthrough he’s exploring through the Modern Spirit Epigenetic Project, an initiative that has seen him join forces with the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies (MAPS) and the University of Southern California (USC) to explore the biological basis of psychedelic medicine and investigate how healing from trauma can alter the way our genes are expressed.