Dr. James Cooke, an Oxford-trained neuroscientist and spiritual teacher, shares his profound journey from existential crisis at age 13 to awakening. He discusses the intersection of neuroscience and spirituality, revealing the challenges of integrating personal enlightenment. James reflects on the importance of letting go of attachments and ego while navigating the complexities of teaching nonduality. He also explores the emotional dynamics of existence, moral growth, and how suffering shapes our understanding of consciousness.
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Awakening at 13
James Cooke was disturbed by the concept of hell in his Catholic upbringing.
This existential crisis led to a spiritual awakening at 13.
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Nature of Awakening
Cooke describes awakening as a realization of wholeness and the absence of a separate self.
This removes the fear of death, making every moment feel like a gift.
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Two Phases of Awakening
Cooke details two phases of awakening: an initial life-affirming phase and a subsequent death-affirming integration phase.
Integration involves surrendering the ego and attachments, which leads to greater openness and compassion.
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In this episode I am joined by Dr James Cooke, Oxford-trained neuroscientist, spiritual teacher, and author of “Dawn of Mind: How Matter Became Conscious and Alive”.
James recounts how, at aged 13, an existential crisis driven by fear of hell saw him emerge into a profound mystical opening. James shares the radical changes he experienced and traces his subsequent years spent exploring and integrating this spiritual breakthrough.
James recalls his improbable journey to winning a place at Oxford University, discusses the remarkable overlaps he found there between cutting-edge neuroscience and his own awakening, and reveals the social structures of elite education in the UK.
James details the arduous and often overlooked post-awakening work of surrendering egoic structures and releasing attachments, explains why enlightenment is both a gain and a loss, and reflects on the challenges of teaching nonduality as a natural mystic.
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01:07 - Why did James write Dawn of Mind?
03:43 - Making consciousness science accessible
04:41 - Catholic upbringing, an overly conscientious child
05:49 - Disturbed by hell
06:38 - Existential rumination, a crisis of faith
08:27 - Spiritual awakening at age 13
09:54 - Aftermath of James’ awakening
12:59 - Life affirming vs death affirming phases of awakening
15:16 - Letting go of attachments
17:24 - What happened to James’ excessive conscientiousness?
20:00 - Two mistakes about the no-self
21:15 - Freedom from extremes, letting go
23:39 - The dissolving self
24:44 - Is therapy necessary?
26:44 - Meditation as a gradual path
27:15 - Meditation vs therapy
28:37 - Practice in life vs joining a monastery
30:11 - Can a natural mystic really teach others?
32:37 - Alienation through spiritual language
33:21 - Enlightenment as loss
34:27 - 3 types of spiritual teacher
36:30 - James’ profile as a teacher
37:47 - Self-aggrandising nondual teachers
38:38 - Spiritual influences
40:40 - Adyashanti & the end of suffering
42:08 - Buddhist progress of insight model
43:59 - Volatile teenage years
44:57 - Extreme somatic tension
36:25 - Difficult integration phase
47:39 - Oxford University, dealing with pressure
50:26 - How James got into Oxford against all odds
54:07 - Social context of elite education in the UK
56:52 - The Oxford wound
58:11 - The mystic’s mistake, post-awakening
01:00:15 - James’ research path at Oxford
01:01:39 - Opening a path for others + psychedelic experimentation
01:04:13 - James’ last psychedelic trip
01:05:12 - Working with Beliefs
01:07:29 - Unravelling resistance & faking it
01:10:40 - Is there an end to post-awakening work?
01:13:54 - James’ experience of intimate relationships
01:17:25 - Charlatans and why awakening can be off-putting for friends
01:19:30 - Alienating terminology
01:19:48 - Feeling isolated after awakening
01:20:33 - Mimicking awakening, the nondual teaching circuit
01:22:05 - Why did James wait so long to go public
01:25:57 - Reaction of James’ family
01:26:51 - Moral perfection
01:30:37 - Why James doesn’t like the word “enlightenment”
01:31:10 - The problem with “awakening”
01:32:31 - Language phases, changing the lingo
01:33:20 - The Borg and analogies for awakening
01:34:42 - Siddhi, intuition, supernatural powers
01:36:48 - Insecure rockstars, kundalini
01:38:39 - The language game
01:39:11 - Hearing voices, the dramatising brain
01:40:58 - World as a shared hallucination
01:42:45 - Does James suffer?
01:44:56 - Gross vs subtle suffering
01:45:52 - An experience of physical pain
01:47:08 - Meditative austerities vs life practice
01:50:46 - Trainings in equanimity
01:51:49 - Ideas in Dawn of Mind
01:53:20 - An instinct for empowerment
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To find our more about James Cooke PhD, visit:
- https://www.drjamescooke.com/
- https://www.innerspaceinstitute.org/
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Music ‘Deva Dasi’ by Steve James