Why is it a tough time to be a pastor? Let's count the ways: a pandemic, a racial justice uprising, an insurrection, hyper partisanship in the pews, cataclysmic global wars. This is not to mention all the normal pulpit pressures, like blurry boundaries, pastoral care, complaining stakeholders, etc, etc. etc. Being a pastor is hard y'all! That's why Katelyn and Roxy wanted to talk with seasoned New York pastor, Rich Villodas, who has been pastoring an incredibly diverse church in Queens for 16 years. We wanted to hear what unique pressures pastors face and how congregants can offer true support.

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• Rich Villodas is a life-long New Yorker and the lead pastor of New Life Fellowship in Queens, a multiracial church with more than seventy-five countries represented in its pews. Rich is the author of several books including the forthcoming, "The Narrow Path: How the Subversive Way of Jesus Satisfies Our Souls."