On The Gist, Chance the snapper.
In the interview, former EPA head Gina McCarthy expected the Trump administration's backwardness on climate change—but not on no-brainers like limits on power plant mercury emissions and auto industry regulation, both of which were being complied with. "They're just obsessed with undoing everything Obama did. You can tell this with Trump. He's still somehow campaigning against Obama." McCarthy was the EPA's administrator from 2013 to 2017, and now teaches at the Harvard School of Public Health.
In the Spiel, which mythical being is Trump most like?
Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices