The Paradox of Debt w/ Richard Vague, ex-Sec. of Banking & Securities, Pennsylvania - EP195

Jul 4, 2023

Richard Vague, a prominent American businessman and investor, discusses the benefits and drawbacks of debt, offering thought-provoking ideas to manage and reduce debts. He proposes a debt jubilee as a solution to debt outpacing GDP, explores debt forgiveness and restructuring, and suggests potential policy measures to address inequality.

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Introduction

00:00 • 2min

The Paradox of Debt: Introduction and Motivation

01:37 • 25min

The Paradox of Debt and Potential Economic Challenges

26:25 • 2min

Ties Between Business and Administration in China & Concerns about the Regional Banking Crisis in the US

28:25 • 4min

The Paradox of Debt and a Proposed Solution

32:08 • 4min

Debt Forgiveness and Restructuring

36:18 • 12min

Potential Policy Measures for Addressing Inequality

47:53 • 4min

Economics Explored host Gene Tunny chats with Richard Vague, a prominent American businessman and investor, about his new book, "The Paradox of Debt: A New Path to Prosperity Without Crisis." Richard, who has previously written about “The Case for a Debt Jubilee”, shares powerful insights into the benefits and drawbacks of debt, discussing how it can help grow household wealth while also promoting economic instability and rising inequality. He also offers thought-provoking ideas for helping households and businesses manage and reduce their debts.

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Note: this episode was recorded in mid-June 2023, i.e. before the Supreme Court decision regarding student loan relief, which is why the decision isn’t mentioned in this conversation.

About this episode’s guest: Richard Vague

Richard Vague served most recently as Secretary of Banking and Securities for the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. As the author of The Paradox of Debt (2023), The Case for a Debt Jubilee (2021), A Brief History of Doom (2019), and The Next Economic Disaster (2014), Richard Vague established himself as a clear and independent voice in the ongoing conversation about the role of private sector debt in the global economy.

What’s covered in EP195

[00:04:39] Debt and the global financial crisis.
[00:11:23] Debt always grows faster than the economy, Richard argues. [00:12:53] Increased debt and higher net worth.
[00:17:23] Paradox of debt and inequality.
[00:23:01] Type one and type two debt.
[00:28:50] Regional banking crisis in the US.
[00:32:13] The paradox of debt: summary.
[00:35:10] Debt forgiveness in the private sector.
[00:41:43] Debt restructuring in banking.
[00:47:48] A win-win-win solution.
[00:49:53] Massive job training as something Richard would like to see.

Links relevant to the conversation

Where you can buy Richard’s new book The Debt Paradox: A New Path to Prosperity Without Crisis:

https://www.amazon.com.au/Paradox-Debt-Prosperity-Without-Crisis/dp/1512825328

Richard’s previous book The Case for a Debt Jubilee:

https://www.amazon.com.au/Case-Debt-Jubilee-Richard-Vague/dp/1509548734

Gene’s conversation with Allen Morrison about the Enterprise China model which he mentions this episode:

https://economicsexplored.com/2022/12/26/enterprise-china-what-western-businesses-need-to-know-w-prof-allen-morrison-ep171/

Thanks to Obsidian Productions for mixing the episode and to the show’s sponsor, Gene’s consultancy business www.adepteconomics.com.au.

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