Unlocked | Exocapitalism, the Book - Marek Poliks & Roberto Alonso Trillo (NM90) 2025

Oct 1, 2025

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Roberto Alonso Trillo

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Marek Poliks

Marek Poliks and Roberto Alonso Trillo, artists and theorists working in AI, delve into their provocative new book, Exocapitalism. They explore capitalism's indifference to human scale, presenting it as a meta-process that undermines traditional leftist frameworks. Topics include the illusion of interaction with AI, labor's diminishing role in financialized economies, and the concept of drag as a state counteraction. They also discuss tokenization's impact on perception, financialization in everyday examples like Starbucks, and the evolving nature of value.

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INSIGHT

Capitalism As A Trans-Scalar Process

Exocapitalism frames capitalism as a trans-scalar, quasi-autonomous process indifferent to humans.
That limits traditional political agency because the system operates on scales beyond direct human control.

INSIGHT

AI Interaction Is Mostly Illusionary

Interacting with deployed AI models is usually contacting frozen checkpoints orchestrated by vast infrastructures.
Personal prompts rarely change models; human feedback is asynchronous and aggregated into later updates.

ADVICE

Measure Value As Temporal Volatility

Reframe value as volatility rather than labor extraction to understand modern finance-driven value creation.
Analyze buy-hold-sell and arbitrage over time to see how capital generates value from temporal differences.

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