In this engaging conversation, Hanna Howard, author of 'Our Divine Mischief,' explores her journey as an Enneagram Four with a Five wing. She shares the emotional depth and introspection that shape her creativity, discussing the quest for authenticity woven throughout her work. Hanna reflects on the tension between her emotional world and analytical mind, and the artistic vulnerability that emerges from it. The chat delves into the theme of belonging and how her unique experiences influence her storytelling, leading to heartfelt and authentic narratives.
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The Nature of a 4w5
The 4w5 personality blends deep emotional depth with intellectual curiosity and inward reflection.
This type leans away from social self-promotion and towards research and rich inner world experiences.
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Stoic Pain in College
In college, a line from Twelfth Night captured the hopeful stoicism Hanna desired.
She resonated with sitting "like patience on a monument, smiling at grief," embracing pain quietly.
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4w5 Inner World Focus
4w5s typically focus on inner ideas and emotions, seeking meaning and deep understanding before engaging outwardly.
They are often reserved and private, contrasting with the more outgoing 4w3 types.
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Quiet
The Power of Introverts in a World That Can't Stop Talking
Susan Cain
In 'Quiet', Susan Cain presents a comprehensive argument that modern Western culture misunderstands and undervalues the traits and capabilities of introverted people. She charts the rise of the 'Extrovert Ideal' and explores how it permeates various aspects of society, including workplaces, schools, and social interactions. Cain draws on research from biology, psychology, neuroscience, and evolution to demonstrate that introversion is common, normal, and valuable. The book offers advice for introverts on functioning in an extrovert-dominated culture and advocates for changes to support and recognize the contributions of introverts. It also distinguishes between introversion, shyness, and anti-social behavior, and highlights the unique strengths of introverts, such as deep thinking, persistence, and excellent negotiation skills.
This week on Typology I had the joy of sitting down with author Hanna Howard, an Enneagram Four with a Five wing. Hanna’s not only the author of the young adult fantasy novel Our Divine Mischief, but also a great example of how our Enneagram type shapes the stories we tell — on paper and in life.
We talk about what sets a 4w5 apart — that mix of emotional depth and intellectual curiosity. While a 4w3 may lean toward image and achievement, Hanna shares how her Five wing draws her inward, toward reflection, research, and a rich world of ideas.
Hanna opens up about her lifelong search for authenticity — that familiar Four longing to feel significant — and shares a moment from her college years when a single line from Twelfth Night put words to that ache for belonging.
Of course, we talk about Our Divine Mischief — Hanna’s alternate-history fantasy set in a magical version of Scotland. At its core, it’s a story about belonging, something every Four knows well, complete with a wish-granting dog (yes, really).
It’s a rich conversation about creativity, personality, and the longing we all carry to belong. I hope you enjoy it. And if you’re looking for a beautiful read, check out Our Divine Mischief.
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