Episode 134 Mark Sayers

Mark Sayers, a senior leader of Red Church in Melbourne and author of books like 'Strange Days,' dives deep into leadership dilemmas in a post-pandemic world. He discusses systems theory and the concept of a 'Non-Anxious Presence,' emphasizing emotional awareness and personal struggles with anxiety and bipolar disorder. The conversation also touches on the evolving notions of masculinity in Australian culture and the challenges of navigating faith amid global suffering, highlighting the balance between hope and despair.