Ep 36: An Interview with Bernardo Kastrup: UFOs, Ultraterrestrials, and Meaning In Absurdity
Mar 14, 2024
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Exploring UFOs, ultraterrestrials, and meaning in absurdity with Bernardo Kastrup. Analytic idealism, childhood UFO experiences, mysteries of UFO sightings, the control system, marketing strategies, and a grateful conclusion to an enlightening conversation.
Analytic idealism views reality as fundamentally mental, offering insights into the UFO phenomenon.
Marketing tactics draw on psychological manipulation techniques, shaping perceptions and behaviors through targeted messaging.
Exploring the complexity of UFO encounters, distinguishing between physical sightings and metaphysical phenomena challenges conventional beliefs.
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Interview with Bernardo Kastrup, an Intellectual Hero
The podcast host interviews Bernardo Kastrup, an executive director known for his work in metaphysical idealism and philosophy of mind. Kastrup's background in philosophy and computer engineering is highlighted, emphasizing his unique perspective on consciousness and intelligence. Kastrup's concept of analytic idealism is discussed, proposing that reality is fundamentally mental.
Analytic Idealism and its Relation to UFO Phenomenon
The conversation delves into analytic idealism's connection to the UFO phenomenon, suggesting that UFO experiences involve both physical and mental characteristics. Under analytic idealism, physicality is viewed as a representation of mentation, explaining the dual nature of the UFO encounters. The concept of the call of the absurd is explored, challenging traditional logic and inviting a deeper understanding of nature's mysteries.
Marketing and High Strangeness Events
The speaker discusses how marketing strategies, derived from the concept of the hero's journey, can be utilized as a tool for manipulation. Drawing parallels between post-World War II propaganda tactics and modern marketing techniques, the speaker highlights the psychological impact of targeted messaging on individuals. By emphasizing the control mechanisms embedded in marketing and media campaigns, the speaker underscores the potential for distraction and manipulation through the saturation of information in contemporary society.
Interpretation of Phenomena and Reality
The speaker delves into the complexity of the UFO phenomenon, proposing a methodological approach to differentiate between nuts and bolts UFO sightings and high strangeness events. By exploring the potential existence of terrestrial civilizations with advanced technology, the speaker challenges conventional perspectives on extraterrestrial life. Highlighting the limitations of human understanding and the evolving nature of reality perception, the discussion underscores the importance of embracing mystery and transcendence amidst societal shifts towards acknowledging metaphysical dimensions.
In today’s episode, I had the absolute honor of speaking with one of my personal intellectual heroes, Bernardo Kastrup.
Bernardo Kastrup is the executive director of the Essentia Foundation. His work has been leading the modern renaissance of metaphysical idealism, the notion that reality is essentially mental. He has a Ph.D. in philosophy (with a focus in ontology and philosophy of mind) and another Ph.D. in computer engineering (with a focus in reconfigurable computing and artificial intelligence). As a scientist, Bernardo has worked for the European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN) and the Philips Research Laboratories (where the 'Casimir Effect' of Quantum Field Theory was discovered). He has also had a 25-year career in high-technology, having co-founded parallel processing company Silicon Hive (which was acquired by Intel in 2011).
Bernardo Kastrup is also the author of 11 books. I basically have an entire Kastrup shelf inmy office. His book, “Meaning In Absurdity: What Bizarre Phenomena Can Tell Us About the Nature of Reality” is, in my opinion, one of the most important books written on the UFO phenomenon. I can’t recommend it highly enough.
Just a heads up before we begin—if you aren’t familiar with Kastrup’s thinking on analytic idealism, the first part of this interview might be a little challenging. If you stick it out, I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised at how elegantly analytic idealism deals with some of the more mysterious aspects of the anomalous phenomena. If you’d like to learn more about analytic idealism, there are some great resources and videos that can walk you through it step-by-step. [Links in episode brief.] NEW Class from Dr. James Madden Unidentified Flying Hyperobject: UFOs, Philosophy, and the End of the World Four-week online class via Zoom Wednesdays, March 27 – April 24 (skips April 10), 2024 7 – 9 pm ET
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TIMESTAMP 00:00:30 Introduction 00:04:35 How working with artificial neural networks at CERN led Bernardo to break with physicalism 00:07:12 The difference between intelligence and consciousness00:08:36 Analytic idealism 00:12:26 How does analytic idealism relate to the ideas of Donald Hoffman? 00:14:38 If the world is mental, why doesn’t it behave like a dream? 00:17:23 Bernardo’s UFO experience 00:19:37 How UFOs repel our attention 00:23:02 Memory and UFOs 00:25:46 UFOs and analytic idealism 00:30:09 Logic and finding meaning in absurdity 00:35:11 The “call of the absurd” and the control mechanism 00:39:27 How marketing and propaganda hijack the control mechanism 00:42:47 Are “nuts and bolts” UAPs and high strangeness UFO encounters the same phenomenon? 00:48:44 Bernardo’s ultraterrestrial hypothesis 00:58:37 The rise of AI, NHIs, and the coming consciousness shift