Joe Green and John Scrudato from Gunderson Dettmer join host Bob Ambrogi on LawNext to discuss the development of their homegrown generative AI app called ChatGD. They share the reasons behind creating their own AI app, its functionalities, and the benefits of using a platform agnostic app. The episode emphasizes the importance of lawyers developing AI skills and the potential impact of generative AI on the legal industry.
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Gunderson-Dettmer developed an internal generative AI app, ChatGD, for flexibility and experimentation.
ChatGD empowers lawyers by automating time-consuming tasks and enhancing productivity and creativity.
Assembling the right stakeholders and forming a task force is crucial for developing AI tools.
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Reasons for Developing an Internal AI App
Gunderson-Dettmer law firm decided to develop their internal generative AI app, Chat GD, for flexibility and experimentation. By building the software in-house, they have the freedom to experiment with different use cases and prioritize their own timeline and resources. They view this stage as experimental and learning-oriented, aiming to provide a safe platform for lawyers to learn and extract value from the tool.
Background in AI Usage Prior to App Development
Prior to developing the Chat GD app, Gunderson-Dettmer, like many firms, had been utilizing AI for document review use cases, specifically in the area of machine learning applications such as KIRA. They had experience with large language models and had been using them to structure data and documents. The introduction of chat GPT and API access to enterprise-grade models led the firm to explore the potential applications of generative AI and develop their own tool.
Description of Chat GD
Chat GD is an internal chat application created for legal professionals within Gunderson-Dettmer. It functions as a chat bot, providing access to large language models like OpenAI and COM. The firm has established a model-agnostic backend that allows interaction with different language models. In addition, Chat GD utilizes retrieval augmented generation, enabling the tool to find similar text within a collection of documents that aids the generative AI outputs.
Benefits for Lawyers and Clients
Using Chat GD empowers lawyers to focus on more valuable and rewarding tasks by automating time-consuming work, such as finding specific information and manipulating text. The tool enhances lawyers' productivity and creativity, helping them deliver better work products by providing quick access to relevant examples and aiding in the generation of legal language. The aim is to build lawyers' AI skills, ensuring they become proficient in leveraging AI to meet clients' needs effectively.
Advice for Other Firms Interested in Developing AI Applications
Gunderson-Dettmer emphasizes the importance of assembling the right stakeholders and forming a task force or working group to develop AI tools. They recommend evaluating the expertise and resources available to determine whether to build in-house or work with third-party vendors. Integrating firm knowledge and maintaining data quality and stewardship are critical considerations. Balancing customization, optimization, and production deployment requires careful evaluation and thoughtfulness.
Recently, Silicon Valley-based Gunderson Dettmer, an international law firm of more than 400 lawyers that exclusively represents clients in the innovation economy, launched ChatGD, a generative AI chat app for its lawyers and legal professionals that the firm designed and built itself. The launch appeared to make the firm the first in the U.S. to develop a proprietary internal tool using generative AI technology and possibly also the first firm anywhere to launch such a tool.
On today’s episode of LawNext, the two people who spearheaded the development — Joe Green, the firm’s chief innovation officer and also of counsel, and John Scrudato, the firm’s legal engineering and data strategy manager, join host Bob Ambrogi to share the story behind ChatGD. They explain why the firm wanted to develop its own generative AI app, describe what it does and how legal professionals can use it, and share how it has been received so far by the lawyers who have used it.
As you will hear, Green and Scrudato see the development of the app as somewhat of a learning exercise — for the firm and for its lawyers — in anticipation of the enormous impact generative AI is likely to have on both legal professionals and clients. “We view this whole stage as very experimental and learning oriented,” Green says in the interview. “This is about getting the tool in the hands of lawyers in a safe way that they can really start learning about how to get value out of it.”
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