In this episode, Alexandra, an expert in Enneagram type 8s and their wings, discusses the different characteristics of 8w9 and 8w7. They explore the power dynamics, sensitivity to disrespect, and perfectionism of these personalities. They also touch on the extreme lengths a type 9 might go to avoid taking action. Additionally, they announce a live Q&A session for the next episode.
An 8-wing 9 is associated with a stable and protective presence, while an 8-wing 7 represents a chaotic and revolutionary figure.
An 8-wing 9's sense of power is dependent on others' response, making them sensitive to disrespect.
Attachment styles and object relations play a significant role in understanding human behavior and marketing, politics, and our understanding of gender and identity.
Deep dives
The differences between an 8-wing 9 and an 8-wing 7
An 8-wing 9 has a more solid and stable presence, often associated with the archetype of a godfather or a protective figure. They have a stronger attachment to a cause or organization, often building something tangible. On the other hand, an 8-wing 7 is more chaotic and revolutionary, representing the archetype of a troublemaker or anarchist. They are driven by a future-oriented vision and tend to be more future-oriented.
The power dynamics and sensitivity of an 8-wing 9
An 8-wing 9's sense of power is more dependent on the response of others, often seeking validation and agreement. They can be more sensitive to disrespect and perceive it as a personal rejection. This attachment to their own sense of power can sometimes manifest as entitlement or an exaggerated sense of selflessness.
The motivation and vision of an 8-wing 7
An 8-wing 7 is driven by a future-oriented vision or ideal and often represents the archetype of a boxer promoter or a revolutionary figure. They inspire and galvanize others with their ideas and can be seen as chaotic and entertaining. Their focus is on creating excitement and pursuing the next big thing.
The division and creativity of personality disorders
Many personality disorders in the DSM may be exaggerated versions of certain personality types. Nines and sixes are among the most commonly affected types, and often struggle with owning their type due to negative examples associated with them. The lesser presence of fours may contribute to their less negative representation. The prevalence of certain types can impact the perception and understanding of personality disorders overall.
The influence of attachment styles in the human condition
Attachment styles and object relations play a significant role in understanding human behavior and the human condition. The need for attachment, certainty, and creating stories that people can buy into is a driving force behind marketing, politics, and our understanding of gender and identity.
We’re back at it again with wings, starting with the most lovable 8s.
— (18:14) Intro to the body center and its purpose
— (20:28) 8w9 is the godfather/godmother
— (27:30) 8w9’s attachment wing makes them more controlling and sensitive to disrespect
— (32:23) Positive types fuel the immovable ego agendas of 8 and 1 — destruction and order
— (35:31) The lovable perfection of 8w7
— (41:06) How to distinguish the idealization of 8w7’s frustation wing and 8w9’s positive attachment wing
— (48:23) The extreme lengths a 9 might go to not do anything
— (55:35) We’re doing a Q&A/AMA live pod next week / send in your questions
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