Berhalter did a bunch of very interesting stuff and it didn't work at all, and Southgate did all the same uninteresting stuff and it wasn't great either. This is mostly about Berhalter because, see above, it was *interesting* but they form a useful counterpoint for thinking about international managers.

(sorry for the audio gremlins, still getting used to the transatlantic podcasting and need to update our pre-record checklist)

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