In the post-Trump era, some red states have moved aggressively to rebuke the Biden administration at the local level and signal to voters what a Republican-led country might look like.

In Texas, immigration is a key battleground. Today, we speak to Hunter Schuler, a member of the National Guards, about why Gov. Greg Abbott has sent him and thousands of other security officers to the U.S.-Mexico border.

Guest: Lulu Garcia-Navarro, a Times Opinion podcast host; and J. David Goodman, the Houston bureau chief for The New York Times.

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Background reading:

Operation Lone Star is an expensive and unusual effort to reinforce border security. But after a year, there is little to show for it.
Soldiers sent to patrol the border have complained of difficulties and a seemingly rudderless mission.

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