Into the Impossible With Brian Keating

Why ChatGPT Can’t Tell Compelling Stories (Yet) w/ John Vervaeke and Shawn Coyne (#402)

Mar 24, 2024

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Join the discussion on AI's impact on tech giants like Elon Musk. Explore the collaborative book project 'Mentoring the Machines' with John Vervaeke and Shawn Coyne. Delve into the challenges of AI in storytelling, the future of academia, and AI's potential in psychotherapy. Discover how AI is reshaping education and the quest for meaningful narratives.

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Quick takeaways

Embodying artificial entities can foster genuine intelligence through caring for normative values.

Narrative, metaphor, and scientific structure are essential in creating compelling AI storytelling.

Linking consciousness with relevance realization can lead to attributing consciousness to machines.

Deep dives

The Collaboration and Book Origins

John Vivekke and Sean Coyne collaborated on Mentoring the Machines book after discussing potential book ideas. Sean helped in making John's video essay more accessible and the collaboration focused on blending narrative, metaphor, and scientific structure.

Introduction

2min

Collaborative Book Project and Meaning Crisis Exploration

2min

Collaborative Writing on AI and Human Mentoring

10min

Exploring the Role of Embodiment in Cognition and Intelligence

4min

Exploring the Limits of Machine Storytelling and Wisdom Famine

26min

Exploring Consciousness Attribution, AI in Education, and the Future of Academia

3min

Exploring Feedback Mechanisms for Writing Improvement and the Role of AI

3min

Exploring Challenges and Opportunities in Academia Through Different Knowings

6min

Exploring the Challenges and Future of Storytelling

4min

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Exploring the Future of AI in Psychotherapy and Psychology

5min

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Exploring Intellectual Endeavors and Support Channels

2min

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“What is it about Artificial Intelligence driving tech giants like Elon Musk, Marc Andreessen, Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, and Sam Altman? Why are they racing to develop and own these thinking machines while unsure of the harm they could cause us? Can we trust nation-states and NGOs to use their totalitarian strategies when they don’t truly understand the problems we face?”

Here today to discuss this with me are John Vervaeke and Shawn Coyne, two extraordinarily bright minds in the field of artificial intelligence.

John Vervaeke is a renowned philosopher and cognitive scientist. He is an associate professor and award-winning lecturer at the University of Toronto, teaching in the Department of Psychology. His work and research are far-ranging, including topics such as human intelligence, rationality, wisdom, and AI.

Shawn Coyne is a writer, editor, and publisher with over 30 years of experience. He has analyzed, acquired, edited, written, marketed, agented, or published 374 books, including dozens of bestsellers in all genres, generating more than $150,000,000 in revenue.

John and Shawn recently published Mentoring the Machines, a book in which they discuss the issues that others like to sweep under the rug. In today's episode of Into the Impossible, we'll tackle these issues with them!

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Key Takeaways:

00:00:00 Intro
00:01:31 Judging a book by its cover
00:08:20 Psychology, alignment, and embodiment
00:16:20 AI’s impact on editing and publishing
00:20:39 Knowledge and wisdom
00:30:08 The true Turing test
00:37:05 Conscious machines
00:44:26 AI’s impact on education
00:53:30 Tailored audiobooks for kids
00:58:12 Promising intersections of AI and psychology
01:04:04 Outro

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