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The Global Story: The oil lobbyist who tried to sink the first big climate deal

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Nov 23, 2025
Jordan Dunbar, a BBC climate journalist and presenter of The Climate Question, dives into the life of Don Pearlman, a notorious oil lobbyist. He reveals how Pearlman's tactics at climate negotiations created a blueprint for stalling action. From influencing wording battles in the Kyoto Protocol to delaying U.S. ratification, Dunbar highlights the lobbyist's impact on climate politics. As the COP30 summit approaches, he also compares past and present lobbying tactics, shedding light on the ongoing struggle between fossil fuel interests and climate advocates.
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INSIGHT

Consensus Makes COPs Fragile

  • COP negotiations require unanimous consensus, which makes them vulnerable to single actors or small blocks disrupting progress.
  • Jordan Dunbar explains that this consensus rule shaped tactics like deliberate delay and wording changes to stall agreements.
ADVICE

Monitor Who's At The Table

  • Expect businesses and fossil fuel interests to attend COPs and influence outcomes through networking and side events.
  • Watch delegation lists and NGO affiliations to track who is shaping negotiations, Jordan Dunbar suggests.
ANECDOTE

Don Perlman's Lobbying Tactics At Kyoto

  • Don Perlman, an oil lobbyist with deep legal and government experience, attended climate meetings and targeted wording and procedure.
  • Jordan Dunbar recounts how Perlman used handwritten notes and country delegates to water down scientific consensus and sow doubt.
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