Analyzing common claims that people grow more conservative over time, we find political attitudes largely persist across life stages. However, when folks shift ideologies, it trends from progressive to conservative rather than vice versa. We argue this reflects both individual agency and systemic youth indoctrination, making today’s brainwashed generations potentially unrecoverable.

Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00] Gen Alpha is remarkably conservative in a lot of their views. Not old timey conservative. They're more conservative, like this channel's conservative.

I would say, like, they're, they're pretty, like, politically aligned. When I talk to gen alpha, like, broadly, they're just, like, super politically aligned with us. But it's going to require a hard victory by you know, the Republican side and some significant voting and voter reform after that victory that prevents the type of shenanigans we keep seeing by the quote unquote elite in our society.

Simone Collins: Which is unlikely.

Malcolm Collins: I don't think it's that unlikely. I think it could happen. Yeah, I think that they consistently overplay their hand. I think that they were so happy with how the overplay went during the COVID situation. We might see something else like that in the near future over something more trivial.

And the question is, is how far do they need to go before the general public wakes up? And keep in mind that the demographics are not in their best interest.

Would you like to know more?

Simone Collins: It's very good. Low stress watching, [00:01:00] although it's really hard to Danny Gonzales

Malcolm Collins: is a fantastic I, I really took him as an inspiration when we started this channel as part of like, the character I wanted to do, you know, very You're not at all like

Simone Collins: Danny Gonzales, but I, I mean, I love you way more, but I don't I mean, Danny's He has

Malcolm Collins: a sort of wholesome, family friendly vibe, but put on top of controversial content for us, and instead of

Simone Collins: Right.

Yeah. Like when he covered the tour of that house that had like the weird like sex dungeon, and

Malcolm Collins: I mean, the problem is like conservative intellectual content is so much of it is either like, you know, daddy, daddy figures, you know, like you're

Simone Collins: like Jordan Peterson, your bed, et cetera,

Malcolm Collins: you know, muscle bros or like angry bros.

And there's not a lot of

Simone Collins: a lot of in between.

Malcolm Collins: Well, yeah, I don't feel like there's a lot of people who it's really easy to emotionally connect with.

Simone Collins: Well, here's the thing is ever since there was, there was a bit of a golden age of this, I think with like the early days of the daily show. And people like, who's that super flamboyant [00:02:00] conservative speaker with the hair, Milo, Milo Yiannopoulos.

Yeah. Like those were examples of people on each side of the political divide that didn't take themselves that seriously. And I think that's another thing that I really miss a lot is like, can we just

Malcolm Collins: stop taking everything so seriously? No, it is true actually. Yeah. Nobody really takes their thing as, as a, like a bit.

Anymore, you know, or

Simone Collins: now it's all my brand, but not even ironically, more just like actual, like spurging out about their big style. I don't care.

Malcolm Collins: No, I mean, it's something that we need to consider in terms of How we're doing videos because we do a juggling of different topic varieties in a way that you know, typically if you wanted to do like traditional YouTube, like if we were just trying to play the algorithm, what we would do is just one category of video.

And instead we try to keep like a menu of, of categories [00:03:00] specifically sex, politics and religion. Yeah. And, you know, a lot of times when somebody is interested in one of these domains with this battering of like AI safety stuff and general science stuff but when somebody is interested in one of these topics, they're often not interested in in other of those topics, right?

Which it can hurt your videos click through rate, which can hurt the way people interact with your videos. Obviously we do a lot of perennial stuff as well. And like the strategies I can use to get around that is like one of the strategy that I've been doing with the tracks, which is because they're so different from our other content is to visually differentiate the thumbnails so that when people are looking at the content we're putting out, they can immediately tell I've actually thought about changing the the white.

Bottom left corner on the thumbnails to be different colors, depending on the topic that we're talking about. Yeah. But well, it would be

Simone Collins: how many's a little, I mean like, yeah, let's, I mean maybe like a color coding. We realize while is a little, little much, but making the tracks [00:04:00] look very different, at least would be good.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, that's the goal. So we'll see if it works. But anyway this topic is an interesting one today which you have mentioned in other videos and you've mentioned this when we've been talking and I have, I had to correct you multiple times because it hasn't sunk in is you have the notion that people become more conservative as they age.

Right. You know, there's a famous quote that is misattributed to Winston Churchill. That it's something like,

if I meet a young man who's not a liberal, I think he has no heart, and if I eat an old man who's not a conservative, I think he has no brain, or something like that. If I eat an old man. But, did you get a chance to look at the research on this before jumping in?

Simone Collins: I did. And I didn't want more than that, which was, I consulted illicit. org, my favorite place to get summaries of studies in a nice digestible format to see what they [00:05:00] pulled up because illicit uses AI to essentially do a meta study for you, and then it will give you like a paragraph summing up the issue.

And then it will. Link to the studies that it cites and give you, you can actually select columns. I'm like, okay, well, what is their conclusion? And then what was the intervention tried? Like, it's just, just plugging it here, guys. I love it. It is not 100 percent free anymore. You have to pay for like cool features now.

And I think there's a limited number of searches, but I still love it. So I have my, my own little research here, but I am so glad to talk about this. Cause yeah, I really was under that impression. I think a lot of it came down to this one completely anecdotal, but still formative experience in high school where a substitute teacher in Mrs.

Walsh's biology class who I just hated. He, he imagined the comic book guy from the Simpsons. Yeah. But he's a substitute teacher. And I don't know what I had said to him, but he'd said something like, oh yeah, you're idealistic now, [00:06:00] but then you'll discover later. And you're, you know, you'll come to your senses.

And I remember thinking like. F**k you. I'm never going to let go of my idealistic anything now because you said that and I hate your face and like, you know, I just wouldn't let it go. Is this person a

Malcolm Collins: conservative? Like what did you told them?

Simone Collins: I honestly have no idea what I told them.

Malcolm Collins: So what did you find when you searched it on illicit?

Right. So, I found, but I don't want to taint your perception coming at this quite differently than me. Yeah.

Simone Collins: I mean, it paints a nuanced picture. More nuanced picture than what I came from, which is that, like, typically people grow more conservative. It points out that. political attitudes tend to be stable over time.

People don't tend to change their minds, which connects to all the things that you've pointed out about there being like a strong heritable element of, of progressivism versus

Malcolm Collins: conservatism. Yeah, the voting is in a large part genetic. [00:07:00] They point out I need to before you go further. This is why differential fertility rates between progressives and conservatives really matter if you're talking about the long term future of the world.

It means that we are going to, across the board, move more conservative intergenerationally. And I think you already see this to people who have talked to Gen Alpha. Gen Alpha is remarkably conservative in a lot of their views. Not old timey conservative. They're more conservative, like this channel's conservative.

I would say, like, they're, they're pretty, like, politically aligned. When I talk to gen alpha, like, broadly, they're just, like, super politically aligned with us. So a little wacky compared to you know, like older generations, you know, they're much more secular in many ways. They generally are very accepting of like, well, actually, no, I've heard a lot of even like, gay skepticism.

From gen alpha, which really surprises me because I, I do not remember in my entire lifetime to see a lot of people you know, at least like gay men were broadly accepted among. [00:08:00] A lot of the conservative groups that I've always, and as we mentioned in another episode, 45 percent of gay men voted for Donald Trump in the last election cycle.

So they're also a very, you know, politically neutral. They're not like a mostly progressive group, but continue is what you're saying.

Simone Collins: Yeah. So, in, in 20, so like, I guess, oh, sorry, where I left off was, but there does seem to be this unidirectional move toward people going from more progressive to more conservative rather than the other way.

So this

Malcolm Collins: is, yeah, I, I looked at the data as well and this is what I found. So, the voting patterns are largely persistent throughout an individual's life. But when people do change their voting pattern, they change it from progressive to conservative and very few people who start voting conservatively will ever change their vote to a progressive vote.

Simone Collins: And are you referring to the study? Do people really become more conservative as they age by J. Peterson and company?

Malcolm Collins: It might be, but even the change [00:09:00] from progressive to conservative was a fairly small change. It wasn't like a big shift that you see in everyone. It was a shift you saw in a portion of the population.

Simone Collins: Yeah, yeah. And then there's another, what was interesting is that that the further support that for this general claim of like, well, there are. When, when people don't always change, but when they do, they go more conservative. In 1977 this guy named Allen Clem found that members of the U S house of representative became more conservative with seniority.

Now, keep in mind, this is in 1977, but I could also see that in certain systems, people will have incentives to become more conservative because doing so may help with building clout, raising more of my funds. Like I could see why any politician. Might, might turn more conservative.

Malcolm Collins: Well, actually I am going to challenge your thesis here.

Really? So another thing that's really persistently seen in the data is that older individuals [00:10:00] vote much more conservatively, even more conservatively than you would expect, given this change than younger individuals. But

in

Simone Collins: 1975, Cutler argues that that may be the case, not because they are becoming more conservative, but because they're actually walking the walk rather than just talking the talk.

What do you mean by that? So what Illicit says, Cutler, 1975, further argues that older cohorts are more likely to adhere to their earlier, more conservative attitudes, leading to a widening gap between cohort attitudes.

Malcolm Collins: Okay, I don't get what he's saying there, but what I think is happening is, do you get what he means by that?

That seems like a nonsensical statement to me.

Simone Collins: I, the impression that that gives me is that Older people are more likely than older, sorry, than younger people to actually adhere to their chosen beliefs, whereas younger people are more likely to be hypocritical in various ways.

Malcolm Collins: Okay, I guess I don't get it.

That's the argument he's trying to make at least. Yeah, yeah, I just don't understand why that [00:11:00] would cause more conservative voting behavior. But come on,

Simone Collins: if you, if let's say, let's say you are a, you know, you were, you're born a conservative person to a conservative family and a conservative community, but then you go to college in New York at an obviously progressive university.

All your friends are progressive. Like you might during these young years in the city before you marry and get your family and move back to the South or whatever, right? You might kind of get brainwashed for a while. And or just be more socially flexible because it's what gets you ahead. It's what helps you date.

It's what helps you survive in that environment. And then as you become older and you become more confident in your own choices and abilities, and also as you get a family. And you spend more time around just

Malcolm Collins: It's open to getting your own intuition is what you're talking about.

Simone Collins: That, yeah, that's, that's, well, that's what I'm hypothesizing the dynamic, dynamic at play is when we're looking at this 1975 study.

It could

Malcolm Collins: be that what you're looking at is age cohort differences. So what I [00:12:00] actually expect you're probably seeing here more, and this is why you see this effect so much more between age cohorts, i. e. older people are just way more conservative than you would expect if you were just dealing with this drift, is a changing definition of conservatism over time.

With younger age cohorts in terms of society, like if society is drifting more progressive and I think it is, and if it is doing that through changing the basically religious and cultural system of youth through a brainwashing program even if people's political beliefs are fairly persistent over time.

It's going to appear that older demographics are just much more conservative than younger demographics. And you know, speaking of, and this is something we're definitely going to do a longer video on because I found it really interesting. I was watching a thing today That was studying. I mean, people know how anti mystic we are , and it was so I didn't know this.

But apparently it's like really strongly backed up in evidence that the [00:13:00] Theo, Theo society, you're familiar with, the, the, you know, these are the ones who like invented the swastika and they were the ones who spread a lot of early heard of, really never heard them. Mm-Hmm. Oh, well this'll be a fun episode someday.

But anyway they're like the core mystic tradition. evangelists in like the 1920s that started what became sort of new ageism today and they tried to start a new religion that was like a cohesive sort of cross religious system religion like all of the mystics always do but apparently their system Somehow got worked into our public school system.

Not somehow it was a very deliberate, very long standing goal of theirs. And now it's basically taught as theology to young kids and they have been so successful that even the stop. the woke bill in, in Florida accidentally included all of the tenants of it.

Like the people who have studied this are like, wow, this is like the biggest egg on your face moment that somehow this got worked its way into the bill, but it [00:14:00] also shows how successful they've been.

And so when we, when we talk about a like systemic brainwashing campaign we really mean that like it's not like a small thing like religious organizations that had specifically religious objectives and this is something that I think a lot of people misunderstand is they think what kids are being sort of brainwashed into a secularism when it's, it's, it's not it is.

It is not an occult, even. It is a specific cult theosophists sort of theological and cosmological system which is being pushed, but we'll, we'll go deeper into the evidence around this. But, but what we're seeing here is because of the success of these movements to try to change, the way that young people relate to religious systems and change the way our society relates to religious systems have been successful.

We've had this intergenerational drift.

Simone Collins: That is fascinating. Yeah. That could be what's at play, but I could also just see what I [00:15:00] originally said being a factor and, or perhaps both are meaningful factors, but I mean, I still see. That even we have become much more comfortable with our own convictions as we've aged, not only because we've become more confident in our own opinions with time and with experience, but because like literally now we spend more time with our own family than we do with, you know, peers that may be influencing us.

And so that, that happens with age and that is going to affect decision making and, you know, your

Malcolm Collins: Actually, it's a really strong point that I think you sort of see is the more atomized a person is, like the less they are reliant on group approval, the more conservative they're going to be in their voting behavior.

This is potentially why people in cities and stuff like that are so much more progressive. Because the core progressive tactic is a social isolation and ostracization of anybody who shows any sort of ideological dissent or any, you know, [00:16:00] basically the ability to think for themselves where you don't see this as much within conservative movements.

And so what this would mean is that people who. And this is also like a career thing, like we couldn't afford earlier in our career to be as conservative as we really were because we'd be fired.

Simone Collins: Except for those, that one set of investors that decided not to invest in our search fund because one, I planned on continuing to work after having kids and two, we may not have correctly answered their question.

Quote, do you believe there is a fundamental war between Christianity and Islam?

Malcolm Collins: No, no, they said East and West and I was like, what do you mean East and West? And they said, they defined it, Islam is the East. And, and people who know us, we genuinely do not believe that. I think. The Muslims are broadly on our side in this great battle that we're having.

No, I don't think they'd agreed with us. It's the monotheists versus the mystics is the way that we frame it. But,

Simone Collins: Heavily

Malcolm Collins: mystic now as well. They've been real, I mean, the Sufis basically took over [00:17:00] Islam and we argue that led to the crash of their religious system. In terms of its economic productivity and its scientific productivity.

But so does this sort of change the way that you, I mean, for me, it shows if my thesis is correct, just how effective the school system has been and the educational system has been at driving people further and further to the left was every generation.

Simone Collins: I disagree. Because I think that if that were true, then what we would see is.

A strengthening of this trend, although that could show up. So when I'm looking at the dates of these studies, the study by J. Peterson and company, and I checked, I can't see if it's Jordan.

Malcolm Collins: I need to go and see who's at the door.

It was the guy who is making, he wanted to do measurements of our house to, to make a version of it for his little train model. So he, he does like really detailed train models. And he lives in Pottstown and so he's making a train model of our house because it's like a historic house in [00:18:00] the area.

I'm so excited.

Simone Collins: Oh, that's

Malcolm Collins: cool. Okay, cool. I was just going and saying hi and everything. Yeah, what was I talking about? No, no, no.

Simone Collins: So I was saying you were arguing that, well, isn't this just all indicative of how effective The public school and university system is at creating more woke people. I, I countered back with, well, I don't know if they're like making them consistently woke.

When I'm looking at these these studies, like there are a bunch from like the seventies and then there are a bunch from like, after 2008 and the 2020 study that said that political attitudes are stable, but people are more likely to go conservative. rather than the other way around. That implies to me that the going conservative may be a reversion to one's default, stable political affiliation after going through public school.

Malcolm Collins: I don't know of public school. I mean, I don't know if the kids who are being brainwashed today are ever going to be able to deconvert. Well, I mean,

Simone Collins: this implies that [00:19:00] they are, if like, there is kind of a unidirectional political,

Malcolm Collins: No, it implies that they did historically, because this is looking at older people than the kids going through school today.

Simone Collins: Well, and there is another study 2008 titled, is there an emerging age gap in U. S. politics? It does find the younger voters tend to be more liberal and more supportive of democratic candidates than older age groups.

Malcolm Collins: The point that I was making, Simone, is that we don't have data on what's going to happen to the kids who are going through the school system today.

We don't have data on even the kids who just went through the school system. We just don't. Like, we objectively don't. They're not voting yet. So we don't know if they're going to change in the way people did in previous generations. I think when I, you and I were sort of brainwashed or rather socially pressured to be extra democratic, me specifically, because I remember this it was while I was in college and grad school.

It was not as strong in high school. [00:20:00] High school was actually pretty politically neutral. Like I knew that most of the teachers were, were progressive, but they certainly wouldn't have forced it down my throat.

Simone Collins: Interesting. By the way, did you feel that pressure? Cause you went to college to your graduate degree in the United States and then specifically in California in a very aggressive area.

However. Your college was in St. Andrews in Scotland. Did you feel?

Malcolm Collins: Oh, in Scotland, yeah, I felt it. I mean, it was, it was the non option to be conservative, even back then. Oh, really? Oh, okay. And it was the same. I mean, it's a pretty posh school.

Simone Collins: That kind of surprises me.

Malcolm Collins: This is when Obama was elected for the first time and everything like that.

And it's, you know, of all, if you're against him, you must be a racist. Although that they haven't really dropped that particular argument, have they? And then when I was in grad school, you know, I was getting my MBA at Stanford. I remember thinking what pussies the Republicans on campus were because they had these support groups for being a discriminated minority, you know, and they would constantly say that they [00:21:00] feel really discriminated.

One of my classmates actually ended up becoming a Congressman. And he was one of the Congressmen that got thrown out because he was an anti Trump Congressman as Trump came into office, I think he voted to have him like removed or something. So, you know, obviously he had been influenced by whatever, you know, this urban monoculture is in terms of, it's, it's aggressive attempt to, to create social norms around this. Cause I think that that's what happened with a lot of people is whenever a new political candidate comes into play on the conservative side or something like that, the progressives treat it as if it is. Like a hate crime to support this individual and that they are just so much worse than any conservative that had ever existed before.

And for example, like if we became mainstream political candidates for the conservative party, you know, God willing, I'd love that. People would act like we are so much infinitely more evil than Trump ever was. And that's just the way people are with this stuff. You know what I mean?

Simone Collins: Like I remember when, when Trump was in office, people acting like, you know, George Bush [00:22:00] was just the best ever.

Absolute

Malcolm Collins: saint. But do you remember when George Bush first came into office? And I was like, Oh, he is nothing like this has ever existed before. And it was Trump. I mean, for people who like one of my favorite instances of when he first started doing like, okay ish in the polls, but the left still treated him like he was like the worst, scariest candidate in the world.

Oh my gosh. He was pretty, you know, honestly centrist. And Trump's always been pretty damn centrist. And I, I know like, as Republicans, we're not supposed to say that he's actually pretty weak sauce on most real conservative issues, but he really is. He's, he's very much like a New York centrist. The left couldn't deal with that.

You know, they needed to paint him as a bad guy. And so they I remember it was at Tulane in one instance somebody had painted, you know, Trump and then whatever the year of the first election cycle was in chalk on like the main through fair. And or it was some New Orleans university. I want to say Tulane, but there's like another one that starts with a T there.

It may have been Taft or something. Anyway. And, and [00:23:00] so, They considered this to be such a huge instance that they offered a free psychological counseling for all of the students who had seen it because apparently so many had breakdowns just from the suggestion that Trump, that, that anyone on campus may support Trump.

To maybe win the primary. Now, what I love then is that Trump then ended up winning. And it, and even at that time, you know, I wasn't really fully like moved in my politics yet to being like a full on Republican at that point. I was still very much pretty centrist in my beliefs as you remember when we first met, you know, I was like Republican on some issues, Democrat on other issues.

But I did love watching those videos from the first election night where he won and people just. Bawling and bawling. And it was hilarious because they had so over invested in this false narrative that was being pushed by the media. And people don't seem to remember how aggressive the false pushing of this narrative was.

So I remember Nate [00:24:00] Silver, who we've talked about 5 38 polling. He gave Trump like 8 percent odds of winning. And It was

Simone Collins: so abysmally low. Even the, but even the betting on it. Even

Malcolm Collins: that, people were writing articles about how he shouldn't, no one should listen to his polls anymore because it was too high.

Because 8

Simone Collins: percent was too high? Oh lord

Malcolm Collins: almighty. Because remember other polls said it was like less than a 1 percent chance. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, I guess. Yeah. And they said that he was like, like messing with his numbers and that he should never be allowed to work in polling again. And if Trump had lost, he really may have lost like a lot of his prestige for taking the extremist position of saying there's like an 8 percent chance Trump could win.

And, and that shows you just how brainwashed, how much they were in this bubble of lies. And that these were the lies that were put out by their quote unquote pollsters, you know, their statistics guys. And I think that we as a society have gone through so many shocks where we're like, Oh, like all of the media will [00:25:00] just like lie to you.

And then we go through this other shock during COVID. We're like, they'll just like. lie, like really? Like the media means nothing. And I, I think that hopefully this pushes the next generation and I would be really happy to see this, like the true independent thinkers of the next generation to begin sourcing news from new sources, sourcing the way they get information from new sources and hopefully be even better informed.

Formed than previous generations were. Unfortunately, the masses are gonna, masses, they're gonna go hard, communists as far as I can see right now. Which is part of why we so support Charter City movements. Now, obviously the alternative to the Charter City movement is that we make something sustainable here in the us.

Because this is really probably the only country that can pull it off. But it's going to require a hard victory by you know, the Republican side and some significant voting and voter reform after that victory that prevents the type of shenanigans we keep seeing by the quote unquote elite in our society.[00:26:00]

Simone Collins: Which is unlikely.

Malcolm Collins: I don't think it's that unlikely. I think it could happen. Yeah, I think that they consistently overplay their hand. I think that they were so happy with how the overplay went during the COVID situation. We might see something else like that in the near future over something more trivial.

And the question is, is how far do they need to go before the general public wakes up? And keep in mind that the demographics are not in their best interest. I mean, the demographics are moving more and more conservative because progressives just aren't having kids. So eventually you know, as I say that the school system right now is this being a mass conversion system.

It's sort of like catching the tiger by the tail. You know, they can't let it go because it will immediately turn around. It's quite angry at this point. They, they can't stop the schools from being these conversion centers. Cause if they did, then the Republicans would start sweeping elections. But if, if, if they don't let it go or the longer they hold on the angrier these parties get because of the, you know, the mass brainwashing of their kids.

And remember I said, I didn't think kids would change their voting behavior like [00:27:00] they used to. I mean, I think that was the huge innovation of the cultural trans movement. And keep in mind, I think trans people really exist. There is a real thing called being a trans person and gender dysphoria and all that.

I just think it's incredibly rare. And a lot of what we're seeing today is people converting because of the social pressures and the social clout it gives them. And it's very hard once you buy into this hierarchical class system. As we pointed out, there is a sort of caste system on the left, which is an inversion of what they see as outside pressures on different groups, right?

And so trans people are at the top of this hierarchy. And so that they can sort of join the top of this hierarchy in the same way that like in a goth community, I can join the top of the goth hierarchy by getting like face piercings or something like that, right? Like a visual sign that I have dedicated myself to the community.

Well, they've learned that they can do this, but you can't easily. detransition. So it's sort of like, even if you would have drifted towards more conservative value [00:28:00] systems as you got older, it's no longer really an option for many of these individuals, given how viciously trans individuals are attacked.

In online spheres when they detransition or show support for conservatives as we have seen with, you know, Buck Angel, who was really like the first major trans influencer in terms of getting trans acceptance, but he made the huge mistake of saying the push to transition children. And, and puberty blockers are, are both for children, are both wrong, and they shouldn't be using them as a movement, and they basically turned on him like wild, like a room full of wild monkeys scratching his face off, and what they showed me is that this is first and foremost, a political cult and not really about supporting either trans people or trans individuals who have moved forward trans acceptance significantly.

Simone Collins: It is really interesting with the trans movement, like how much hate and danger those who do not tow the mainstream line are subject to.

I wanted to bring up [00:29:00] one more subject on the, do people become more. conservative as they age question, which is that, I mean, I'll, I will admit that we appear to be getting more politically polarized and that that doesn't seem to be getting any better with time. However, from door knocking to get on the ballot as a Republican candidate, I did see some interesting nuance in that so many people, and I only knocked on the doors, I should note, of Republicans.

Who had voted in all past four elections, plus at least one primary. So this is people who are pretty dedicated voters. I was surprised by the number, the percentage of that group that answered their doors that then upon answering their doors would not even give me a signature as a Republican running for local office.

Like I am not running for president. I'm not running for Senate. I'm not like what I [00:30:00] think about. You know, presidential candidates really isn't relevant in my opinion. But I was just really surprised and it made me realize that like, this isn't necessarily as clear cut as you would think. A lot of people think, for example, like Roe has gone too far and now they have to kind of go into a more progressive direction.

And I actually. Felt myself thinking, Oh my God, like, are people going more progressive? Like a lot of people were like, no, I'm switching to Democrat now. Or like, I'm no longer going to support any Republicans. Like that was an answer I got a lot. And that, you know, kind of, presents a small anecdotal argument in the other direction.

But maybe that's just because things have gone so off the rails with the Republican party in the United States at this time, given some stances they've taken where they're eating their, their feet now, eating their feet, eating their shoes.

Malcolm Collins: Well, they're eating something.

Simone Collins: Something not

Malcolm Collins: yummy. They've definitely gone off the rails in a few areas.

Which I think [00:31:00] has caused them a significant level of pain that they didn't need to experience. Yeah. Committing to positions they didn't need to commit to. Yeah. Well,

Simone Collins: that now are making a significant portion of their own Group decide to run con like counter to them in order to keep things from getting too radical, which is insane It's insane.

Like they're driving their own their own voters away

Malcolm Collins: Well, hopefully we can fix this and create a sustainable political movement in this country that is as oppo opposed to the goal of the urban monoculture of the cultural or erasure of all the groups. I mean, we don't hate the urban monoculture.

I'd love it to stay around. I think it has many good ideas. I just mm-Hmm, think it needs to figure out how to be self-sustaining.

Simone Collins: Well, and, and to maybe. Maybe allow for some other opinions to exist as well.

Malcolm Collins: Yes. Allow for people to get promoted in companies despite disagreeing with it.

Simone Collins: Oh, I don't know.

That's [00:32:00]

Malcolm Collins: asking a lot. I mean, I, yeah, I, obviously it was a complete Nazi thing for Elon to do to allow, you know, people to talk on Twitter that disagreed with the urban

Simone Collins: monoculture. Yeah. I mean, you know, and of course, you know, I mean, that. The idea of hiring white males in organizations anymore is also so passe Malcolm.

No one should do that anymore, ever again. Because

Malcolm Collins: I love you.

Simone Collins: I love you too. I love you so much. Um, as a white male, no, I have another memory from college. That's like occurring to me or like I was in business school and like one of my white male classmates turned to me and, and we were kind of like, wait.

I love you. Like we are the man now. Are we the man? Like, it's so funny though, in that, like, that is really flipped. That I feel like now we live in this kind of accuracy where they're like the patriarchy and the man really are no longer. Capable of even

Malcolm Collins: when I, when we were applying for jobs, because at one point we had to apply to jobs, not that [00:33:00] long ago.

And like, we would apply for the same sorts of jobs. And I basically would keep in mind. I have a Stanford MBA and she has a graduate degree from Cambridge and you're

Simone Collins: way more articulate. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. I got no offers. Like never anything. She'd get buttloads. Yeah. It is very, anyone who doesn't realize how difficult it is for a white man in the job market today is just delusional.

Yeah. It is actually quite difficult. Yeah. So even if you're like ultra educated and successful like myself.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Yeah. I feel like the only way that like a couple can go, um, what's the word? Nuclear family, like trad in that way where like they have like a male breadwinner is if he like works in a trade like plumbing or, Sell tower maintenance or something.

We're like,

Malcolm Collins: yeah, I'd really only suggest starting your own companies these days. Yeah What we're building our school system around. Anyway, I love you to death Simone. I love you

Simone Collins: too [00:34:00] gorgeous

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