Join environmental visionary Paul Hawken, author of 'Regeneration', in a thought-provoking discussion about carbon's vital role in life rather than its villainization. He challenges us to 're-carbonize' the Earth, merging indigenous wisdom with modern science. The conversation reveals how our disconnection from nature contributes to climate crises and critiques the commodification of ecosystems. Hawken emphasizes embracing regeneration and highlights the importance of community and ecological balance for a thriving planet.
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Carbon as Life's Essence
Carbon is not the villain but the essence of life, storing energy and memory.
We must focus on regenerating life and re-carbonizing the Earth, not just decarbonizing.
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Western vs Indigenous Knowledge
Western science separates and names elements, seeing the world as disconnected.
Indigenous knowledge focuses on relationships and holistic observation for survival.
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Humans and Climate Deregulation
Humans are the only species deregulating the climate through greed and delusion.
We live predominantly in a left-brain era focusing on fixing, lacking holistic wisdom.
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Set in 1917 at Craiglockhart War Hospital in Scotland, 'Regeneration' follows the story of army psychiatrist William Rivers as he treats shell-shocked soldiers, including the poets Siegfried Sassoon and Wilfred Owen, and the fictional character Billy Prior. The novel delves into the psychological and emotional traumas inflicted by the war, highlighting the complexities of identity, masculinity, and social structure. It contrasts humane and inhumane treatments of war trauma, reflecting on the broader impact of the war on individuals and society[3][4][5].
What if carbon isn’t the villain—but the key to saving the world?
In this mind-expanding conversation, Darin sits down with renowned environmentalist and visionary Paul Hawken to uncover the misunderstood story of carbon, the intelligence of nature, and how we’ve systematically disconnected from the wisdom that sustains life. This episode dives deep into climate, ancient knowledge, modern science, and what it means to truly regenerate the Earth—and ourselves.
What You’ll Learn in This Episode:
00:00 – Why this conversation about carbon is different
04:40 – The real reason carbon got villainized—and why it’s wrong
08:25 – Why we must "re-carbonize" the Earth, not decarbonize it
11:00 – The incredible intelligence of carbon and why it is life
13:40 – Indigenous wisdom and Western science—why we need both
17:30 – Why naming and separating things leads us away from truth
20:05 – Climate isn’t a crisis—it’s a mirror of the biosphere
23:00 – The human disconnection that’s destroying the planet
26:00 – We are the only species deregulating the climate
29:00 – Turning nature into an "asset class": the new danger
31:00 – Google, Meta, and the new extractive industry
33:30 – How our data addiction is connected to climate destruction
35:00 – The fungal internet: mycelia, intelligence, and nutrient trade
38:40 – How 14 million roots on a single rye plant feed the Earth
42:00 – Sound of soil: how healthy ecosystems literally speak
45:00 – Dead soil and the silence that follows chemical farming
47:00 – Fire as a regenerative force—not a destroyer
50:10 – Wildflowers, seed banks, and the secrets beneath the ash
53:10 – Purpose and meaning: the missing nutrients in modern life
56:00 – Awe, intelligence, and what soil can teach us about healing
59:10 – Why we’re not just disconnected—we’re spiritually lost
1:02:00 – Fossil fuels, energy addiction, and burning life
1:04:40 – How less can actually give us more
1:06:00 – Why the healthcare system is a symptom of sick soil
1:08:00 – From crisis to community: choosing regeneration
1:10:10 – Why abundance comes from creating life
1:13:00 – Fire ecology and Indigenous land management wisdom
1:16:00 – Final thoughts: we’re not screwed—we’re screwing ourselves
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