In this episode I speak to Pam Pence. Pam works with the challenging topic of educating on population and over population. This is a topic that I've (Amit) personally has been struggling with as it tends to lead me astray but this is a beautiful practice in staying in that which hurts. It is an initiation (not an easy one) for those that tend to shy away from the topic of the ongoing ecosystem and system collaps. We speak about empowerment, of the choice to procreate, deriving meaning from our children, that it's ok to opt out from the "normal" nuclear family and much more. Some of the resources Pam mentions in our conversation: A new republic of the heart and Global footprint network. Enjoy! Host: Amit Paul.