Jane Fallon, Chris van Tulleken, Julian Barnes, and David Mitchell talk about revenge, unique writing labels, the healing power of a pear tree, the importance of fun in work, Wembley Stadium arc memories, living in Northwest London, and the death of King Harold of Hastings.
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Quick takeaways
Jane Fallon explores the theme of revenge in her novels and embraces the label 'Chick Noire' to go beyond traditional Chick-Lit.
Julian Barnes reflects on his friendship with Anita Brookner, describing her as controlling and discussing how she influenced his fictional character.
Shappi Khorsandi reminisces about a pear tree that symbolizes safety and home for her, sharing its significance in her childhood and as a mother.
Dr. Chris Van Tulleken emphasizes the importance of embracing uncertainty in science, using his yellow toy cow Teddy as a symbol of limitations.
David Mitchell discusses his love for history, highlighting the impact of small details and the importance of understanding the sequence of events.
Deep dives
Jane Fallon's Exploration of Revenge in Her Work
Jane Fallon discusses her recurring theme of revenge in her novels. She shares how she embraced the term 'Chick Noire' as a label for her writing that goes beyond traditional Chick-Lit. Fallon also reflects on the universal desire for revenge but emphasizes its negative consequences and the importance of channeling those dark feelings through storytelling.
Julian Barnes on His Friendship with Anita Brookner
Julian Barnes opens up about his friendship with Anita Brookner, describing her as controlling in their interactions. He shares stories of their lunches together and how Brookner established the rules for their friendship. Barnes admires Brookner's intellect and wit, and discusses how her influence inspired him to create a fictional character in his novel, Elizabeth Finch.
Shappi Khorsandi's Childhood Memories
Shappi Khorsandi reminisces about a pear tree in her childhood garden that held significance in her life. She recalls climbing the tree with her brother during challenging times and how the tree symbolizes safety and home for her. Khorsandi also shares the sentimental value of the pear tree as she introduced her children to it.
Dr. Chris Van Tulleken's Yellow Toy Cow
Dr. Chris Van Tulleken shares his personal attachment to a yellow toy cow named Teddy. He explains how Teddy represents the limitations of scientific knowledge and the importance of embracing uncertainty. Van Tulleken highlights how his sense of fun and openness to doubt inform his approach to science and communication.
David Mitchell's Fascination with the Arrow That May Have Killed Harold Godwinson
David Mitchell delves into the historical perspective of the Battle of Hastings and the potential role of an arrow in Harold Godwinson's death. He reflects on the impact of small details in history and the lasting fascination with gruesome and memorable narratives. Mitchell also discusses his love for the broader sweep of history and the importance of understanding the sequence of events.
Jyoti Patel's Emotional Attachment to Pink Floyd's 'The Great Gig in the Sky'
Jyoti Patel shares her personal connection to the song 'The Great Gig in the Sky' by Pink Floyd. She describes how the song was a constant presence in her childhood, and how it became a source of inspiration when she struggled to articulate her emotions in writing. Patel also discusses the importance of music in her life and its impact on her characters in her debut novel.
Reflecting on Home with Wembley Stadium's Arc
Jyoti Patel recounts her emotional connection to the Wembley Stadium arc in London. She explains how seeing the arc on the A406 filled her with a sense of security and homecoming. Patel associates the arc with cherished memories of family, loved ones, and the cultural significance of her South Asian heritage in the area.
David Mitchell Contemplates the Broad Sweep of History
David Mitchell reflects on his love for history and the importance of understanding the sequence of rulers and events. He explains his fascination with the Battle of Hastings, highlighting how small decisions and unpredictable outcomes shape historical narratives. Mitchell also discusses the blend of gore and memorable details in history that captivate our imaginations.
Dr. Chris Van Tulleken Challenges Simplistic Views of Science
Dr. Chris Van Tulleken discusses the limitations of scientific knowledge and the need for a broader understanding of complex issues. He emphasizes the importance of embracing uncertainty and rejects the idea of providing definitive answers. Van Tulleken highlights the role of fun and openness in science communication and encourages a more nuanced approach to comprehending the world.
Jane Fallon Reflects on the Power and Consequences of Revenge
Jane Fallon reflects on the recurring theme of revenge in her work and its universal appeal. She shares her own fascination with dark feelings and the potential consequences of acting on them. Fallon highlights the therapeutic role of storytelling and discusses her personal experience of writing revenge-driven narratives as a form of catharsis.
This week on the Penguin Podcast we're recapping the year with a selection of the brilliant guests we've welcomed onto the show. We hear from Jane Fallon, Chris van Tulleken, Julian Barnes, David Mitchell and more. We thank you for tuning in, and we'll see you in 2024. Happy holidays.
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