Russia’s cyberattacks against Ukraine’s electrical grid occupy a canonical place in the history of cyber warfare. By turning out the lights in Ukraine in 2016 and 2017, Russia demonstrated the reach of digital weapons. Now researchers have revealed that Moscow’s hackers struck the Ukrainian grid in 2022. CyberScoop reporters AJ Vicens and Christian Vasquez join the show to discuss the implications of the Russian attack on Ukrainian critical infrastructure and what it reveals about how the Kremlin is using its hacking corps to shape the conflict. Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson also joins the show to discuss her efforts to keep elections safe, combat disinformation and the threat AI poses to American democracy.