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Hard Conversations, Real Practice

In this second installment on having hard conversations, Beth and Gabrielle welcome back HR consultant and longtime camp person Diane Slater to do what staff training needs most: practice. Moving through real camp scenarios, they dig into how leaders can stay clear and kind when feedback gets messy. Diane starts with the “defensive star”—the beloved staff member who shuts down whenever coaching arrives—and reminds us to lead with safety, reflect specific behaviors (not assumed motives), and sometimes even give people time to process before they can really hear what’s being said. From there, they tackle gossip as camp’s unofficial currency, not by demonizing it, but by naming intent and impact: what’s the staff member trying to get from sharing, and how does it land on the people around them?

The episode keeps building into tougher terrain: chronic excuse-makers, entitled veterans challenging new directors, emotionally flooded staff, and even outright denial or lying. Across each situation, Diane’s throughline is consistent—anchor on facts, ask what someone can control, use curiosity over confrontation, and prepare your key points ahead of time so you don’t get pulled off course by tears, anger, or a debate that isn’t actually up for debate. 

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Best Practice for Leadership Training

From Diane,

When a staff member has to be let go, the work isn’t over once they leave. Diane reminds leaders that the rest of the team is still living and working together, and everyone will react differently—some with relief, some with sadness, some with judgment, and some with gossip. Because of that, leaders need to follow three key steps: first, debrief with the leadership team to reflect on what was missed and how to catch or prevent similar issues earlier (even back at hiring). Second, support the remaining staff by addressing the departure at a high level—grounding it in camper safety and team wellbeing—while protecting the privacy and dignity of the person who left. Third, actively monitor morale, normalize mixed emotions, and invite staff to process with leadership if they need to. The goal is clarity without cruelty, and reassurance that feedback and consequences are communicated clearly, not sprung on people out of nowhere.

Special Guest:

• Diane Slater, Camp HR Consultant

Your Hosts:

• Beth Allison, Camp Consultant - Go Camp Pro
• Gabrielle Raill, Camp Director - Camp Ouareau

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