Burley Kawasaki, with experience at Microsoft, Kony, and K2, discusses the distinction between low-code and no-code platforms, the evolution and challenges in their development, the concept of fusion teams, and the importance of governance and design principles in application development.
Low code suits technical experts, while no code targets business developers without formal training.
No-code tools are beneficial for rapid deployment during urgent situations like the COVID pandemic.
Fusion teams combining business and professional developers are vital for successful application development.
Deep dives
Evolution of Low-Code Expertise
Burley Kawasaki, an experienced professional in product management and design, shares insights from over 25 years of work in low-code. He emphasizes the progression in business development, enabling a wide range of personas to build applications with low code and no code tools. Kawasaki's journey, starting back in 2000 with BizTalk Server, highlights the increasing empowerment of business developers in application development.
Distinguishing Low-Code and No-Code
Kawasaki distinguishes between low-code and no-code based on user personas rather than technical features. Low code typically requires technical expertise, often from a development background, while no code is geared towards business developers lacking formal training in development methodologies. He mentions that no-code tools are ideal for rapid ideation and deployment of simple applications, particularly during urgent situations like the COVID pandemic.
Vendor Landscape in Low-Code and No-Code
The podcast delves into the diverse vendor landscape of low-code and no-code platforms, noting established players like Microsoft, Salesforce, OutSystems, and Mendix in the low-code space. On the no-code side, vendors have varied entry points including workflow management, web design, and project management tools. Kawasaki highlights the broad user base of no-code tools, which often caters to business and functional teams rather than traditional developers.
Enabling Business Developers with Fusion Teams
The concept of fusion teams, combining business and professional developers, emerges as crucial for successful application development. Kawasaki emphasizes the importance of scaling complexity based on business, governance, and technology requirements through tools like application matrices. He also outlines the necessity for structured workshops and training to support the transition towards business-led application development, predicting a future where all organizations embrace business developer programs for digital transformation.
AI Influence on Low-Code Development
Looking ahead to 2024, Kawasaki foresees a significant impact of AI, particularly Gen AI, on low-code and no-code development. He anticipates a surge in AI experimentation to streamline and simplify the application development process. Kawasaki believes that integrating AI into low-code and no-code platforms can revolutionize how applications are built, leading to more efficient and innovative development practices across business scenarios.
In this episode we welcome Burley Kawasaki. Burley has a long and deep history in low-code platforms, cutting his teeth on BizTalk Server at Microsoft, he was EVP of Product at Kony and chief product officer at K2 (acquired by Nintex). Burley has spent the last few years focused on low-code adoption and acceleration, culminating in his book The No-Code Playbook (available on Amazon and elsewhere) as well as a workshop to help organizations safely accelerate the adoption of low-code development platforms.
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