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Sophie Spence, former Irish XV’s and 7’s rugby international player and now coach of Penclawdd Men’s Division 1 team, talks about her coaching journey as a converted netball player with Liza "Bird" Burgess.

Her passion, love and enthusiasm for the game shines through the podcast, along with her relentless drive to become a better coach.

In the pod, Bird and Sophie discuss:

Moving late from netball to rugby, and how sports skills can transfer
From international rugby player into coaching, women's and men's
Moving the game into becoming professional
Advice to aspiring coaches
How to learn from listening to others, and being vulnerable
Frustrations in developing the game
Creating a girls rugby academy
The differences between women's and men's rugby coaching
Coaching a men's team in Wales

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