Philip Taubman, lecturer at Stanford University's Center for International Security and Cooperation and author of In The Nation's Service: The Life and Times of George P. Shultz, joins the show to discuss the legacy of American statesmen George P. Shultz.

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Times

• 01:52 Introduction

• 02:14 First encounters with Schultz

• 06:44 An old-fashioned patriot

• 10:10 Secretary of State

• 15:38 Different approaches to defeating Communism

• 20:00 Two sides to Reagan

• 26:44 Hawks

• 31:05 Schultz, Clark, and Dobrynin

• 33:35 Arms control

• 38:24 The end of the Cold War

• 41:55 Tension as a tool

Ep 58: Philip Taubman on George Shultz