This conversation explores the role of second chair leaders in organizations and the challenges they face. The guests, Wade Smith and Dr. Rhonda Davis, share their experiences working as second chair leaders and offer insights into building trust, managing tensions, and navigating change. They discuss the importance of knowing the heart of the leader, understanding their rhythms, and effectively communicating with them. The conversation also highlights the significance of empowering middle leaders and creating spaces for them to lead. Overall, the discussion emphasizes the critical role of second chair leaders in the success and growth of an organization. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices