Two crucial fixtures in West London in the last five days have yielded just one point for Erik Ten Hag's Manchester United. If that wasn't bad enough, they held the lead going into the 99th minute in both games.
If Brentford was bad, this was an astonishing evening at Stamford Bridge. Looking fairly comfortable having put together another remarkable comeback, the Red Devils suddenly imploded to throw away all three points.
So, what does this result, and the manner of the defeat, mean for Erik Ten Hag's future as Manchester United manager?
HOST: Ian Irving
WITH: Andy Mitten, Carl Anka, Laurie Whitwell
PRODUCER: Ollie Bellwood
Executive Producer: Adey Moorhead
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Talk of the Devils: The Athletic FC's Manchester United show