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Electric cars and plant-based meat: hype or hope? | Hannah Ritchie, PhD

Sep 15, 2025
Hannah Ritchie, a senior researcher at Our World in Data and author of *Clearing the Air*, dives into the intricate relationship between climate change and solutions like electric cars and plant-based diets. She tackles the myths surrounding electric vehicle sustainability, including battery concerns linked to cobalt mining. Ritchie also shares insights on dietary shifts, exploring how plant-based options can help reduce emissions. The conversation emphasizes that optimism is warranted as individual choices and systemic changes pave the way for a more sustainable future.
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INSIGHT

Stable Facts Vs Fast-Moving Questions

  • Some climate questions are stable with strong consensus while others evolve rapidly and need constant data updates.
  • Hannah tracks both long-settled facts (e.g., food emissions share) and fast-moving tech questions (e.g., minerals for batteries).
INSIGHT

Perfectionism Fuels Climate Whiplash

  • Media often frames imperfect solutions as failures, creating 'climate whiplash' and public confusion.
  • Hannah warns that demanding perfection stalls progress because imperfect solutions still beat the status quo.
ADVICE

Always Compare To The Right Baseline

  • Always place climate numbers in context by comparing them to realistic baselines and alternatives.
  • Compare waste or emissions from renewables to current fossil-fuel baselines, not to an abstract zero.
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