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E44: The offloaded brain, part 4: an interview with David Chapman

Dec 4, 2023
David Chapman, an AI researcher, discusses his work on the Pengi program. They explore ecological software design, indexical expressions, and the implementation of a game controller. They also discuss the behavior of bee wolves and the maintenance of the AI program Pangy.
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Quick takeaways

  • Pangy showcased how observing external behavior and affordances can provide insights into intelligent behavior without relying on mental representations.
  • The concept of affordances, rather than comprehensive representations, is crucial in AI systems for effective interaction with the environment.

Deep dives

The Offloaded Brain: Minimalist Approach to AI

David Chapman and Phil Agree pioneered an ecological and embodied cognition approach to AI. They developed Pangy, a program that played a video game, with a minimalistic, indexical, and purpose-laden model. Instead of relying on mental representations, they emphasized the importance of observing external behavior and affordances. By applying phenomenology and ethnomethodology, they showcased how just looking at actions and interactions can provide insights into human and non-human behavior. Their work challenged the traditional rationalist view and demonstrated that simple combinatorial logic can produce interesting behavior. Pangy, though not extensively developed, showed superhuman visual tracking abilities but had limitations in routine repertoire and maintenance.

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