Modern Wisdom

#982 - Jesse Michels - UFOs, Aliens, Antigravity & Government Secrets

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Aug 18, 2025
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Jesse Michels
Jesse Michels, a UFO investigator and content creator, dives into the captivating world of UFOs, government secrets, and non-human intelligences. He discusses why a fascination with UFOs can sometimes distract from personal growth. Jesse shares insights on the historical ties between UFO sightings and nuclear sites, and explores advanced propulsion theories like Townsend Brown's experiments. The conversation touches on AI's role in our future and the nature of consciousness, urging listeners to question the boundaries of science and reality.
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UFO Interest Can Be An Escape

  • Interest in UFOs can be maladaptive if basic needs (health, job, community) are unmet.
  • Jesse argues people use UFO belief as an escape from low-level Maslow problems.
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UFO Community Has Moved Upmarket

  • The UFO community shifted from fringe New Age crowds to include high-agency figures and insiders.
  • Jesse says de-stigmatization brought Silicon Valley and intelligence figures into the conversation.
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Credible Evidence Makes Inquiry Reasonable

  • There is substantial credible testimony and sensor data (e.g., Nimitz Tic-Tac) that make UFOs a worthy field of inquiry.
  • Jesse cites pilots, presidents, and official reports as evidence building probabilistic confidence.
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