How do you get your best clients to hire you? Jared welcomes Bruce La Fetra, a real, live client whisperer, to chat about how to flip your usual script and market to the clients you actually want.

Later, the guys play “Technical ‘Knox’ Out,” a trivia round highlighting Knoxville, TN, facts—past and present.

And, who knew? Apparently, Jared’s devotion to flip phones rivals that of the Laguna Beach teen scene in 2004. But, Jared’s relationship with his beloved, flippy phones has been riddled with angst as of late. Tune in for the drama.

Bruce La Fetra is a consultant at Eastwood Strategy Advisors.

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We talked about Knoxville - which is in Tennessee; so, here are some Nashville (also in Tennessee) artists!

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Our opening track is Two Cigarettes by Major Label Interest.

Our closing track is This is Love by Alsever Lake.