Shameless Popery #225 Will Rome Fall to Modernism? (Orthodox Response)
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Nov 18, 2025 In a deep dive into the debate over Catholicism's adaptability versus Orthodox rigidity, the conversation tackles the evolving nature of liturgies in both traditions. Joe explores controversial reforms within Orthodoxy and questions claims of immutability, examining historical shifts in practices like remarriage and the acceptance of contraception. He also analyzes Jesus's teachings on divorce, unveiling the real meaning behind biblical exceptions. The discussion challenges the notion of unchanging doctrines while highlighting differing interpretations.
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Liturgy Has Evolved In Both Traditions
- Claiming Orthodoxy preserved an unchanged liturgy since Christ oversimplifies the historical record.
- Both Eastern and Western liturgies blend ancient and later prayers and have changed across centuries.
Jesus' Marriage Teaching Is Radically Countercultural
- Jesus taught a radical, countercultural permanence for marriage that shocked his own disciples.
- That radical nature signals the teaching is not meant to be read as a flexible, easily waived rule.
Greek Terms Show Nuance In Divorce Passages
- The Gospel uses different Greek words to distinguish adultery (moikia) from porneia, suggesting nuance in exceptions.
- Porneia likely refers to invalid or sham marriages, not a general permissive loophole.
