The Foreign Affairs Interview

The Age-Old Contest Between Land and Sea

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Nov 20, 2025
In this engaging discussion, S. C. M. Paine, a strategy expert from the U.S. Naval War College, delves into the age-old contest between maritime and continental powers. She explains how the U.S. has historically thrived as a maritime force but warns of a concerning shift in strategy. Paine contrasts the territorial focus of Russia and China with maritime trade's advantages, highlighting the risks of tariffs and protectionism. She underscores the importance of maintaining a rules-based maritime order and reflects on historical warnings to avert future conflicts.
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INSIGHT

Maritime Order Creates Wealth Through Rules

  • Maritime powers build wealth by reducing transaction costs through laws and open sea trade.
  • This creates a rules-based order that scales prosperity without conquest.
ANECDOTE

Mahan's Maritime Pivot For The U.S.

  • Alfred Thayer Mahan persuaded the U.S. to prioritize maritime trade over territorial conquest.
  • He argued oceanic commerce, not landmass, made modern great powers wealthy.
ADVICE

Anticipate Follow-On Effects

  • Think through follow-on effects before making policy pronouncements.
  • Avoid half-court thinking that ignores how others will respond to U.S. moves.
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