Dr. John Vervaeke

After Socrates: Episode 22 - Exploring the I-Thou

May 9, 2023

Join Dr. John Vervaeke, Christopher Mastropietro, and Guy Sengstock as they explore the intricacies of the dialectic process and the concept of the I-Thou relationship in relation to virtues. They discuss Martin Buber's ideas and how they can transform current practices. The conversation also delves into the role of errors in shaping our perception of virtues, generating insights on humility and openness.

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Quick takeaways

Engaging in the dialectic involves a bidirectional movement towards understanding virtues, facilitated by the collective space called the 'we space', allowing for the emergence and withdrawal of the virtue's persona and a deeper, intimate understanding.

Errors play a crucial role in the dialectic process, serving as opportunities for growth and a pathway to a holistic understanding of virtues when consciously recognized, examined, and explored.

Confession, seen as a practice of humility and vulnerability, prepares individuals to engage with virtues by acknowledging errors, fostering personal growth, and opening the path for connection with the universal being.

Deep dives

The dynamics of the dialectic and the engagement with the virtue

Engaging in the dialectic, whether in conversation or introspection, involves a bidirectional movement towards understanding the virtue being explored. This process is influenced by a collective space called the "we space" that gives voice to the virtue and helps navigate errors in understanding. The persona or face of the virtue emerges through the collective space, while the withdrawal of the virtue into its holographic interdependency with other virtues brings a sense of coherence. This interplay between persona and withdrawal allows for a deeper, intimate understanding of the virtue. Confession or accounting for errors is a necessary step in this process, leading to self-knowledge and the preparation to receive the virtue. Ultimately, this practice cultivates humility and allows for a participatory relationship with the virtue, leading to a recognition of one's own through line and an openness to the universal being itself.

Introduction

3min

Practicing the Dialecticality of Logos in Workshops

22min

Recognizing Patterns and Implicit Learning

6min

The Nature of the Logos and Its Relationship with Humans

22min

Exploring the Connection Between Error and Virtue

2min

Exploring the Concept of Collective Error and Notice Invariance

2min

Collective Error Accounting and the Path of Growth

11min

Join Dr. John Vervaeke, Christopher Mastropietro, and Guy Sengstock as they delve into the intricacies of the dialectic process in the context of virtue in this episode of After Socrates. Christopher Mastropietro, a cultural theorist and writer, and Guy Sengstock, founder of Circling Europe, both contribute their unique perspectives to the discussion. Together, they explore the work of philosopher Martin Buber and how his ideas could transform current practices. The episode also covers the concept of the I-Thou relationship and its relevance to virtues, discussing how a commitment to this perspective renews the commitment to treat virtues as sincere vows. Furthermore, the conversation delves into the role of errors in shaping our perception of virtues, generating profound insights about humility, openness, and the path towards understanding.

Time-codes:

00:00 - Christopher Mastropietro & Guy Sengstock discuss the role of interest and commitment in the dialectic process, suggesting that it's more than just imagination at play.

01:20 - Dr. John Vervaeke introduces the focus of the episode - how Martin Buber's work could influence our practices.

02:00 - Christopher Mastropietro shares insights on how the dialectic process evolves with each repetition, reflecting on the commitment to virtues.

07:00 - Guy Sengstock sheds light on the importance of relevance to virtue and the ecstatic nature of universal participation.

16:00 - Christopher Mastropietro explores the role of interest and creative errors in opening up relationships and self-perception.

19:00 - The systemic nature of errors and their role in self-accountability and personal growth.

22:00 - Dr. Vervaeke presents the 'notice and variance heuristic,' promoting a humility-centered approach to understanding systematic errors.

24:21 - Implicit learning in recognizing patterns and the essential role of the 'WeSpace' for the Geist.

25:58 - Christopher and Dr. Vervaeke explore the relationship between the emergence of the Geist and the I-Thou.

27:00 - Dr. Vervaeke suggests an increased rate of guidance from the Geist as a reward for vulnerability.

29:13 - Christopher and Dr. Vervaeke discuss the role of error in dialogue and its alignment with Socrates' demonium.

30:00 - The concept of negative theology and its relation to the Geist is introduced.

35:00 - The group explores the relationship between speech and silence in Dialogos.

37:00 - Christ and Socrates are discussed as examples of reframing dialogue.

52:00 - Error as evidence of our finitude, promoting a deeper understanding of self.

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Dr. John Vervaeke

After Socrates: Episode 22 - Exploring the I-Thou

Episode guests

Podcast summary created with Snipd AI

Quick takeaways

Deep dives

The dynamics of the dialectic and the engagement with the virtue

The significance of error in the dialectic

The role of confession and vulnerability

The faces of the virtue and its interdependency

Dialectic, error, and the dynamics of self-knowledge

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