The Ezra Klein Show Is This America’s Golden Age? A Debate.
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Jun 20, 2025 
In a spirited debate, Kellyanne Conway, former senior counselor to Trump, and Ben Rhodes, a senior advisor to Obama, clash with Kevin Roberts, president of the Heritage Foundation, over whether America is in a golden age. The discussion dives into political climate, economic trends, and the implications of Trump's policies on national unity. Each guest shares contrasting views on patriotism, fiscal responsibilities, and the need for reform. The lively exchange culminates in a surprising audience vote, revealing shifting opinions on this contentious topic.
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America's Dawn of Golden Age
- Kevin Roberts argues America is entering a golden age due to reforms and revitalized belief in self-governance.
- He sees Trump's policies as correcting a "dark age" where government overreach harmed schools, churches, and middle America.
Skepticism of Golden Age Claims
- Ezra Klein highlights that many Americans don't see a golden age as polls and markets show pessimism.
- He warns dismantling systems that work risks the achievements built over decades.
Conway's Case for Golden Age
- Kellyanne Conway cites economic growth, border security, and peace deals as evidence of a golden age.
- She highlights significant swings in voter demographics supporting Trump's agenda.