In this episode of the Evolving Leader, co-hosts Scott Allender and Emma Sinclair welcome Rob Murray back to the podcast. Rob last came onto the Evolving Leader back in December 2021 (season 3, episode 12), he’s a researcher, change agent and thought leader in emotional intelligence and transformational leadership who strives for a deep level of authenticity whilst at the same time being supremely pragmatic in the realities of organisational life. Rob is co-founder and CEO of Transformed Leader, he is host of the Talk of Change podcast and in February 2023 Rob’s new book ‘Fighting For Heart’ was published.

0.00 Introduction

3.55 What motivated you to write ‘Fighting For Heart’

7.13 Why is this so important now?

12.15 How are you defining emotional intelligence?

26.37 You identify that there are six common resistances that keep leaders from investing in emotional growth. Can we start with ‘self-protection against social shame, pressure or judgements for being emotional’

36.03 The next resistance is that ‘people hold a belief that leaders should not be distracted by emotions’

38.33 Number three is ‘avoiding emotions feels easier, safer and more manageable’

39.29 Fourth is ‘a lack of emotional modelling when growing up’

43.41 Finishing up with five and six, we have ‘ignorance of any other way than performing and producing’ and ‘not justifying the time and money to prioritise emotional development’

45.10 It can be difficult to know when we lose our emotional awareness. What can people listening (who don’t have the benefit of spending time with you) start to do?

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