Christian Philosopher Michael Murray wrote a book in 2008 making a defence of God in the face of millennia of animal suffering. He presents his arguments to atheist Phil Harper (aka Skydivephil).

They also discuss the contentious issue of whether animals experience pain differently to humans, after William Lane Craig ignited a debate on the subject after quoting Michael Murray's work in a debate.

MP3 of this show http://media.premier.org.uk/unbelievable/6821081e-913a-4789-ae1e-00b10730ad17.mp3

For Michael Murray's response on William Lane Craig's blog http://www.reasonablefaith.org/animal-pain-re-visited

For Michael Murray's book Nature Red in Tooth and Claw http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/0199596328>

For "Skydivephil's "animal suffering" videos on YouTube http://youtu.be/mLSwRcvX72M & http://youtu.be/sKuEbbDi-tQ

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Unbelievable? Debating animal suffering and God - Michael Murray vs Phil Harper