Magic and Science with Dean Radin

Oct 31, 2025

In this enlightening discussion, Dean Radin, the Chief Scientist at the Institute of Noetic Sciences and author of 'Real Magic', delves into the fascinating overlap between magic and science. He reveals groundbreaking experiments demonstrating how consciousness can influence matter, like light and even biological systems. Radin discusses the ethical implications of magical practices and describes the real potential for compassion through these studies. He also explores metal bending and the intriguing idea of retrocausation, bridging spiritual beliefs with scientific inquiry.

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INSIGHT

Magic And Psi Are Culturally Linked

Dean Radin links magical practice and psi as the same phenomena expressed in different cultures and languages.
He argues breaking taboos between science and magic enables open study of these shared phenomena.

ANECDOTE

Recruitment, Apparatus, And A 'Magical' Grant

Radin describes recruiting meditators and magicians to test intention on a diffraction apparatus sent to participants' homes.
Funding appeared from an esoteric network exactly matching the amount he needed, which he called a magical coincidence.

INSIGHT

Photons As A Psi-Friendly Target

The diffraction setup used discrete detector dots so participants received simple real-time feedback to up or down a wave-related measure.
Multiple labs have reported anomalies suggesting consciousness can influence photon behavior under these protocols.

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Magic and Science with Dean Radin

Dean Radin, PhD, is chief scientist at the Institute of Noetic Science in Novato, California. He is author of The Conscious Universe, Entangled Minds, Supernormal, and Real Magic.

In this conversation, Dr. Dean Radin explores the intersection of magic and science, showing how ancient practices of intention and attention parallel modern findings in parapsychology and quantum physics. He discusses his experiments with magicians and meditators, revealing evidence that consciousness can subtly influence light, matter, and even biological systems. Dr. Radin also reflects on the ethical and spiritual implications of these findings, suggesting that the pursuit of real magic ultimately leads toward compassion, wisdom, and service.

00:00:00 Introduction
00:01:46 Breaking taboos between science and magic
00:06:34 Experiments with magicians and meditators
00:17:05 Coincidences, synchronicity, and funding “magic”
00:25:12 Consciousness interaction with photons
00:27:25 Blessing experiments with chocolate, tea, and water
00:32:06 Challenges of replication and epistemology
00:36:05 Chaos magic and mathematical theory
00:39:12 Metal bending and the mystery of intention
00:46:22 Divination, retrocausation, and how magic may work
01:06:02 Conclusion

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(Recorded on October 30, 2025)

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