Jonathan Wolfe, a Senior Research Fellow at the University of Oxford's Blavatnik School of Government, dives deep into the complexities of nationalism and immigration. He challenges the common belief that nationalism inherently promotes anti-immigrant sentiments. Through personal stories of asylum seekers, he sheds light on identity struggles and the dual nature of nationalism. Discussions also explore how urban and rural identities shape perspectives on belonging, advocating for a reevaluation of inclusive national identities in the face of globalization.
The podcast distinguishes between protective nationalism, aimed at shielding vulnerable populations, and exclusive nationalism, focused on maintaining privilege among natives.
It explores the dual impact of immigration on national identity, showing how personal histories can shape attitudes toward both nationalism and inclusivity.
Deep dives
The Complex Nature of Nationalism
Nationalism is explored as a multifaceted concept that can evoke both pride and division. It can be associated with exclusive ideologies that seek to define who belongs and who does not, often leading to hostile environments for outsiders. A personal narrative emphasizes the speaker's family background as descendants of asylum seekers, highlighting how immigration can shape one's perception of nationalism. This duality suggests that individuals may support national identity while simultaneously questioning the exclusionary practices often associated with it.
The Economic Impact of Immigration
The podcast discusses the contentious debate around immigration and its economic effects on the citizenry. While some argue that an influx of immigrants could strain resources and reduce living standards, counterarguments highlight that immigrants typically fill jobs that locals avoid, thereby increasing demand and contributing to economic growth. The historical context, such as Jewish immigration to America in the 1930s, is used to illustrate the notion that immigration can have positive effects on the host country's economy. This discourse points to the moral implications of prioritizing the concerns of native citizens over the needs of incoming migrants.
Protective versus Exclusive Nationalism
The distinction between protective nationalism, which seeks to carve out space from oppression, and exclusive nationalism, aimed at preserving privilege, is examined. This dichotomy raises questions about the intentions behind national policies and whether they serve to protect legitimate interests or simply restrict access to resources for marginalized groups. The speaker points to the challenge of maintaining open borders for people while simultaneously restricting trade, particularly in developing nations. Ultimately, the discussion highlights the ethical complexities surrounding nationalism, examining the balance between identity preservation and inclusivity.
Nationalism is often associated with rightwing politics and anti-immigration sentiment - but is that a necessary connection? This week we're looking at various forms of nationalism, and asking if there's something about the structure of the nation-state itself that fosters an exclusionary attitude to outsiders.
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