This conversation was recorded prior to the U.S. presidential election. Any references to the election or its potential outcomes reflect the perspectives and context at the time of recording.

Stella and Sasha welcome Winston Marshall, former banjoist for Mumford & Sons, to discuss the personal and professional fallout following his tweet about Andy Ngo's book Unmasked. He opens up about navigating censorship, conformity, and the immense power of social media in shaping public discourse. Winston reflects on the pressure artists face when balancing personal beliefs with industry expectations, and how political events influence cultural movements.

In this conversation, Winston shares his experience being thrust into an online firestorm and the deeply personal decision to step away from the band he cherished for over a decade. His choice emerges as an act of integrity, demonstrating the courage it takes to embrace authenticity and stand against the tide of groupthink.

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