Restitutio 366 Who Was Christ before the Creeds? (Jeff Deuble)
Nov 19, 2020
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Pastor Jeff Deuble of the Churches of Christ in Sydney, Australia shares his journey to uncover the genuine Jesus from scripture alone. After his brother Greg challenged him to understand Christ from a Jewish perspective, Jeff set out on a quest, reading through all of scripture to see what it really said about the Messiah. What he found upended his life, bringing both delight at his clearer understanding of Christ and heartbreak over losing the church he planted and pastored for 19 years. This is his story.
Here are some of the questions that caused Deuble to doubt the "traditional" understanding of Christ taught in the creeds:
- How can you have a singular God who is also plural? How can you explain three “persons”, who constitute one “being”?
- How can Jesus be both “fully human” and “fully God”? How does that work?
- How can Jesus be eternal, yet “begotten” by God?
- The Bible says that “God cannot be tempted” but Jesus was tempted – in fact “in every way, just as we are” (Hebrews 4 says)
- We know “God alone is immortal” and therefore unable to die (Rom 1:23; 1Tim 6:16) yet Jesus was died, and was raised to life again by the Father.
- We read that “no one has seen, or can see” God (1Tim 6:16) - that “no one has ever seen God” (Jn 1:18; 1Jn 4:12) yet Jesus was seen.
- God “knows everything” (1 Jn 3:26) yet Jesus himself admitted there were things that his Father knew that he himself did not (Mt 24:36; Mk 13:32).
- Why would “all authority in heaven and on earth” have to be given to him (Mt 28:18)? Wouldn’t this already be his by virtue of him being God?
- If Jesus is God, how can he have a God over him (Which Paul clearly states is the case on many occasions, especially in 1 Cor 15)
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- Check out the interview with Greg Deuble (Jeff's brother) They Never Told Me This in Church
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