Six Stoicisms: Modern vs Traditional Stoicism and More (Episode 8)
Jan 17, 2023
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The hosts discuss different interpretations of stoicism, including broicism, dollar sign stoicism, small as stoic, traditional stoicism, modern stoicism, and academic stoicism. They explore the role of emotional management in stoicism and the misconceptions surrounding it. They also highlight the importance of finding a balance between theory and practice in stoicism and analyze the heuristic of question relevance. Plus, gratitude is expressed for listeners and a request to rate and share the podcast.
Modern stoicism integrates science and psychology, emphasizing virtue and practical application.
Traditional stoicism retains all aspects, including belief in God, interconnectedness, and integrity.
Deep dives
Different approaches to stoicism
There are various approaches to stoicism, including broicism, dollar sign stoicism, small a stoic, traditional stoicism, modern stoicism, and academic stoicism. Broicism involves using stoicism to promote a stereotypical masculine ideal, while dollar sign stoicism refers to using stoicism as life hacks or tools for non-stoic ends. Small a stoic is a common misinterpretation of stoicism as being unfeeling or emotionless. Traditional stoicism aims to practice stoicism by retaining all or most of its parts, including a belief in the pantheistic conception of God. The modern stoicism movement seeks to modernize stoicism, incorporating insights from science and psychology, while academic stoicism focuses on understanding stoicism as a cultural artifact rather than practicing it.
Modern Stoicism and its focus on science
Modern stoicism is a movement that aims to modernize stoicism by integrating insights from science, psychology, and neuroscience. It emphasizes the value of virtue and living in accordance with nature, while adapting stoicism to align with modern knowledge. Modern stoicism often focuses on the practical application of stoic techniques, such as emotional management and stress reduction, making it relevant and accessible to a wide range of practitioners.
Traditional Stoicism and the importance of interconnectedness
Traditional stoicism embraces stoicism as a way of life and believes that it only works if all or most of its parts are retained, including those that may seem peculiar or outdated. Traditional stoics often emphasize the Stoic conception of God and the belief that virtue is the only good. They also stress the interconnectedness of different aspects of stoicism, such as physics, logic, and ethics, and argue that neglecting one aspect can undermine the integrity of the philosophy.
Academic Stoicism and its focus on historical understanding
Academic stoicism treats stoicism as an historical artifact to be understood and studied rather than practiced. It involves rigorous scholarly inquiry and explores stoicism's connections to other philosophical and cultural traditions. Academic stoicism seeks to provide historical context, enhance knowledge about stoicism, and contribute to the broader understanding of the philosophy.
In this conversation Michael and Caleb discuss six different kinds of Stoicism:
$toicism
broicism
stoicism (little s stoicism)
Traditional Stoicism
Academic Stoicism
Modern Stoicism
Some of these are misunderstandings, or at least incomplete, other's are much more meaningful uses of the philosophy. Michael and Caleb talk about each with the aim of correctly understanding theory and determining what's useful to apply in ordinary life.
(01:37) $toicism
(09:17) Brocism
(16:50) little s stoicism
(24:17) Modern Stoicism
(31:28) Academic Stoicism
(40:38) Traditional Stoicism
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Stoa Conversations is Caleb Ontiveros and Michael Tremblay’s podcast on Stoic theory and practice.
Caleb and Michael work together on the Stoa app. Stoa is designed to help you build resilience and focus on what matters. It combines the practical philosophy of Stoicism with modern techniques and meditation.
Caleb Ontiveros has a background in academic philosophy (MA) and startups. His favorite Stoic is Marcus Aurelius. Follow him here: https://twitter.com/calebmontiveros
Michael Tremblay also has a background in academic philosophy (PhD) where he focused on Epictetus. He is also a black belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. His favorite Stoic is Epictetus. Follow him here: https://twitter.com/_MikeTremblay
Thank you to Michael Levy for graciously letting us use his music in the conversations: https://ancientlyre.com/
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