The Esau McCaulley Podcast Make America Forgetful Again?
Aug 28, 2025
In this engaging discussion, Justin Giboney, President of the AND Campaign and a commentator on culture, race, and politics, joins Esau to tackle the idea of America’s historical narrative. They debate the tension between celebrating the nation and confronting its shameful past, particularly around slavery. The duo humorously navigates topics like cancel culture's myths, societal views on authenticity and masculinity, and the corny yet earnest qualities that some public figures embrace. It's a thought-provoking and entertaining exploration of history and identity.
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Truth Over Nationalistic Sanitizing
- Justin Giboney and Esau McCaulley argue museums must tell truthful history rather than sanitize painful truths.
- Erasing slavery rewrites the past and hinders present accountability and reform.
'Great Again' Requires Facing Slavery
- "Make America Great Again" forces the question: when was America great, given slavery at the founding?
- Editing out slavery enables false narratives about the Civil War and removes motivation for present reforms.
Paula Deen's 'Canceled' Career Arc
- Esau and Justin recount Paula Deen's 2013 controversy and subsequent career losses and partial recovery.
- They note Deen called her experience "canceled" despite retaining some income and public presence.
