

On Navigating Your 20s... With Phoebe Waller Bridge and Lily Allen
Oct 5, 2025
Phoebe Waller-Bridge, the award-winning creator of Fleabag, shares her rollercoaster 20s, highlighting how painful experiences fueled her creativity. She recalls awkward date stories and reflects on valuing maturity over youth. Lily Allen discusses her Sheezus era, battling public scrutiny and personal struggles, including the challenges of touring while being a mother. Both guests explore the impact of societal expectations on women, offering insight into reclaiming self-identity and resilience during a decade filled with turmoil.
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Creative Value Of Romantic Failures
- Phoebe Waller-Bridge sees failure in relationships as fertile ground for creativity.
- She values the messy, painful moments because they feed artistic growth and authenticity.
Awkward Morning After A One-Night Stand
- Phoebe recounts a disastrous post-one-night-stand breakfast where she sang 'At Last' down the stairs.
- The man was visibly shocked, leading to an awkward morning and an otherwise dire date.
Aging As Liberation Not Loss
- Phoebe says aging brought fierceness and freedom rather than diminished value.
- She frames societal pressure to fear aging as a control mechanism that flipped her rebellious switch.