Jocko Podcast 510: The Ego Trap In Leadership. The Need To Lead Pt.2. With Dave Berke.
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Oct 15, 2025 Dave Berke, a former Top Gun instructor and fighter pilot, shares impactful leadership insights from his book, The Need to Lead. He reveals how ego undermines team dynamics and fosters division. The discussion emphasizes taking ownership over mistakes, illustrating how listening enhances relationships and trust. Berke recounts personal experiences, from learning humility in combat to the need for decentralized command in the face of crisis. His journey underscores the importance of adapting to change and empowering others for true leadership success.
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Practice Preemptive Ownership
- Take preemptive ownership by assuming you'll be blamed if mistakes happen and act to prevent them.
- Implement changes and protocols now to reduce risk instead of shrugging and calling it bad luck.
Default To Listening
- Stop dominating conversations; listen more to understand and defuse tension.
- Use listening to diagnose your feelings and improve relationships and mental state.
Measure Your Talking Time
- Self-awareness shows up in simple measures like who talks most at a table.
- Checking your talking time exposes ego and improves team dynamics.
