A New Year with Writer Jia Tolentino (‘Trick Mirror’)
Jan 5, 2025
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Join Jia Tolentino, a staff writer at The New Yorker and bestselling author of *Trick Mirror*, as she dives deep into the complexities of our digital age. She explores the erosion of online privacy, the potential TikTok ban, and her experiment with self-surveillance during her hidden pregnancy. Tolentino reflects on how data is monetized, the unsettling realities of screen time on children, and shares her experiences growing up in Houston. The conversation swings between optimism and pessimism, ultimately celebrating the liberating power of writing.
Jia Tolentino discusses the erosion of privacy in the digital age, emphasizing the exploitation of personal data by social media platforms.
The podcast explores the generational shift in how technology affects mental health, contrasting Gen Z's engagement with previous generations' experiences.
Tolentino shares insights on modern parenting challenges in a tech-centric world, advocating for a nurturing environment beyond excessive screen time.
Deep dives
The Impact of Technology on Mental Well-being
The conversation highlights the deep-seated issues brought about by technology and social media. The pervasive influence of the internet has led to a phenomenon known as 'brain rot,' where individuals feel increasingly distracted and less able to engage in thoughtful reflection. The speakers discuss the parallels between generations, particularly how Gen Z perceives and is affected by technology differently from previous generations. This generational shift underscores a growing concern that constant connectivity is deteriorating mental health and emotional well-being.
Surveillance Capitalism and Its Consequences
The discussion delves into the concept of surveillance capitalism, where personal data is constantly monitored and exploited for profit. Examples such as TikTok and the general culture surrounding social media platforms illustrate how user engagement is driven by algorithms designed to harness attention. The impact of this constant data collection creates a reality where users feel their lives are more surveilled than ever. Ultimately, this compromises personal privacy, alters interpersonal relationships, and reduces the freedom to navigate life authentically.
Navigating Parenthood in a Digital Age
The challenges of parenting in an era dominated by technology are a significant theme in the conversation. Tolentino shares her experiences raising children amidst an environment of digital distraction and the inevitable information overload that comes with it. She discusses attempts to maintain a healthy balance for her kids by providing engaging physical activities that divert their attention from screens. This focus on fostering genuine human experiences underscores the desire for children to have a nurturing upbringing that doesn’t succumb to the perils of excessive screen time.
Cultural Reflections on Feminism and Gender Dynamics
The conversation reflects on the evolution of feminism and gender dynamics, particularly in relation to recent socio-political movements. The speakers discuss how the narrative surrounding women's rights has shifted with incidents like the Me Too movement and the subsequent backlash manifested during Trump's presidency. They analyze the current state of young men's perceived roles in a changing world, where traditional gender expectations are often contested, leading to mixed reactions among different demographics. This context raises questions about the future of gender relations and how emerging generations will navigate these complexities.
Finding Agency Amidst Societal Constraints
The episode emphasizes the importance of recognizing individual agency within the broader and often oppressive societal structures. It presents the idea that while it is crucial to be aware of the pervasive injustices and structural violence in society, it is equally important to identify personal avenues for action and change. Encouraging small acts of rebellion and community engagement can empower individuals to reclaim their narratives. This balance of awareness and action serves as a reminder that even amidst overwhelming challenges, there are still opportunities to instigate positive change at a personal and societal level.
Writer Jia Tolentino (The New Yorker) became a literary sensation in 2019 upon the release of her best-selling essay collection, Trick Mirror: Reflections on Self-Delusion. She joins us this week to ring in 2025.
We start by discussing the erosion of privacy online (11:26), the potentially forthcoming TikTok ban (13:32), and how she circumvented self-surveillance technology in her Hidden Pregnancy Experiment for The New Yorker (15:28). Then, we unpack how data is monetized online (18:00), as depicted in an unsettling scene from Succession (21:50), the harmful effects of screen time on children (26:10), and her writerly upbringing in Houston (31:48).
On the back-half, Jia recounts a formative summer in Venice (41:55), her subsequent decade working at The Hairpin and Jezebel (50:43), the trad wife phenomenon (55:00), how she swings between pessimism and optimism (1:12:19), and why writing still retains the power to liberate (1:17:00).